Tesla S

[torredcuda]

Except when it comes to price. 
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/options

[Gumby]

Getting back to the subject of Tesla; it has a clear advantage over the other Hybrids.

I don't know where you came up with that grid, but hybrids do not come close to 55 mpg. Every one I have talked to says 33 to 40 something. By the way, I was talking about NIKOLA TESLA, the phenom electrical engineer, known for his electrical proficiency in the 1900s, not the company. Nikola Tesla was the smartest human mankind has ever known. And he got kicked to the curb. yet we use his technology everyday in our lives. Smarter than Einstien and Edison put together. He knew electricity inside and out. Eienstien and Edison were retards compared to him. Look him up.

[ChallengerHK]

By the way, I was talking about NIKOLA TESLA ... Nikola Tesla was the smartest human mankind has ever known. ... Smarter than Einstien and Edison put together. He knew electricity inside and out. Eienstien and Edison were retards compared to him. Look him up.

Smart guy, but I don't know if I'd say smarter than Einstein. It's one thing to invent a piece of equipment, even a very complex piece. It's another to determine the underlying physical laws of the universe using nothing but thought experiments. I'd give this one to Einstein, hands down.

[Gumby]

Smart guy, but I don't know if I'd say smarter than Einstein. It's one thing to invent a piece of equipment, even a very complex piece. It's another to determine the underlying physical laws of the universe using nothing but thought experiments. I'd give this one to Einstein, hands down.

Well, Einstien worked off of theories. Tesla did stuff with his own hands. Theories AND application. I just finished reading a book, where the author said that Tesla did some experiments, and concluded that earth could be blown up with a few tons of dynomite. Seems he set up an experiment in his New York complex, where he used an ocillator (sp) timed with data from how long it took for the waves to reach through the earth and come back to him, and timed the ocillator to coincide, and caused several small earth quakes in his area. He had it hooked up to the steel beams from his labratory going into the earth. He theorized that small dynomite explosions, set at the right sequences and frequencies could cause the earth to disintegrate. He was involved in a lot of things, not just electricity. He was an enormously talented man. Invented a cool plate engine, where there were only a small amount of moving parts. A plate with dips and valleys rotated, and the pistons were held captive in there bores, but went up and down with the plate as it rotated, on roller "rods". Kind of like a wankel rotary, but not quite. Ford experimented with the engine in the late 70s early 80s. Tesla had unique designs for hydraulics, and developed some cool hydraulic drive systems. Far more than what little research that you can find on the web about him will admit. He was a savant. Amazing, given the materials and technology at the time. Edison was nothing. He stole ideas from everybody and presented them as his own. He was a user. Tesla was beyond his times. Einstien may prove to be a boon to mankind someday, (and admittadlly many, many people are struggling to understand his views and adapt them for practical use) but so far everything he has done is theory. Ever notice in science, that everything is a theory? (Even if it works in the real world?) Not a bad thing. But Tesla was hands on, help me right now technology. He also has some interesting theories, but much of his stuff worked right out of the box. It would be interesting to see what kind of people are out there right now - but I'm sure "national security" would never allow us to know. These are very different days we live in now. I would love to see a modern day Tesla type person.

[Gumby]

Ever read about Teslas Free Energy experiments? He actually harnessed power from the atmosphere. No, I am not a nut. yes, I understood what I just said. Research the guy. Make your own desicions. Before you jump to any conclusions, realize everything about radio waves, frequencies, and how lightning (read, LIGHTNING) works. Go stand under a high power line and hold up a flourescent tube. It will light up. Without any wires. You can even buy inductive battery chargers for your cell phone or laptop. No wires, just put them on the pad, and the battery recharges.

[TinCuda]

I have always been a big fan of Nikola Tesla and have read a lot about him.

There was a hugh section of a Russian forest that was destroyed around the turn of the century.   It was explained away as a meteor exploding in the upper atmosphere.   Some people believe that Tesla caused it with a death ray or something all the way from America.


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[HP_Cuda]

Recycle Gumby then? 

Sorry, but I had to laugh out loud when I read "our carbon problem will continue to plague the human species." You of course realize, that humans are CARBON based - don't you? Take that however you want, haha.    

[HP_Cuda]

Wow I got a good chortle out of your remarks about hydrogen power.

Seems you don't realize that it takes more ENERGY to create hydrogen fuel than its worth.......

Maybe you can create a Frankenstein experiment, resurrect Nikola and manage to make cheap hydrogen fuel out of thin air!!! and prove everyone else wrong.   

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln

OK, seriously. Every different manufacturer has different battery design parameters. Every year, new or different battery design comes out. You can't simply slide out the old ones and slide in the new ones. Batteries are toxic to the landfill. They aren't efficient, and they aren't cheap. 360 mile range is a joke. A bad one. Recharging times and costs are a bigger joke. A bigger, badder one. You pick your poison. Pollution from air particulates, or toxic chemicals seeping into your groundwater supply. There is no easy answer. Hydrogen is a viable solution. CNG is another very good alternative. People are wasting their time on electric, as far as I'm concerned/convinced. Hydrogen is probably the best viable solution. Emission is water vapor. Maybe a solar panel on the roof to help boost the range, or provide auxillary power. Energy can neither be created or destroyed, only converted. Battery/electrical energy is not up to the demands of a vehicle. The silly turbine idea mounted in front of a vehicle to power it is just that. Silly. It is pie in the sky imagination gone amok. Why don't all sailing vessels have wind generators to fill their sails so they can fly across the ocean? Because it conflicts with the laws of nature. It cannot work. Nothing is for free. Why not have a propeller on the front of the vehicle to convert wind power to energy, and a propeller on the rear to propel it? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! Do you seriously think that some dumbazz peasent discovered the fountain of youth? SERIOUSLY?  THERE is NO free lunch. Do you seriously think that all the manufacturers in the world cannot come up with a more efficient solution? Variable valve timing, turbos, superchargers, green rolling tires etc. And this peasant comes up with a fan in front of his car? It's like the 200 mpg carbs that were the rage a few years ago. or the magnets meant to align your gas molecules, or the DIY hydrogen injection kits. There is only so many BTUs in a gallon of gas. Friction, heat, wind resistance all takes it's toll. Grow up, people. Face the truth.

[Gumby]

OK, I'm an idiot. I will freely admit to that. I've never read that creating the hydrogen fuel is worth more than what it costs. I HAVE, however read that the "green" electric cars are vastly more expensive to purchase, and recharge, and replace the batteries than what they are worth compared to a conventional  pure gasoline sipper car. So, please enlighten me on what I am missing out on here. When you have to replace batteries after their cycle, and it costs anywhere from $4,000 to $6,000 dollars, and the little benifit that you get out of an electric car, what with it's 300 mille or so range, and 8 to 12 hour recharge time, please tell me how that is superior technology without chortling to death on your current favorite choice of beverage. I am really curious how the electric vehicle is so vastly superior, that the U.S. Gov has to provide an at LEAST $10.000 subsidy of my tax dollars, and it STILL costs $20,000 more than a stripper base car that gets superior miles per gallon, and is cheaper to operate and maintain over a 10 year life span. PLEASE enlighten me. I am a moron and need to be told how this all works. Plus, the toxic batteries end up in a landfill, because no one has a system set up to recylce them. Plus, you can't really tow anything, or haul extra material or a bunch of American FAT people, because that will drop the milage to zero., or tow a trailer. WOW, Please enlighten me on what I am missing here. Please tell me how wonderful life would be if I bought one. Tell me how they are so great, the Gov has to use my tax dollars as an incentive for me to by one. Why don't the effing GOV just give me back my $10,000 dollars that they STOLE from me and let me make my own fricking decision? Gee, what a concept?

[Gumby]

OK, I'm an idiot. I will freely admit to that. I've never read that creating the hydrogen fuel is worth more than what it costs. I HAVE, however read that the "green" electric cars are vastly more expensive to purchase, and recharge, and replace the batteries than what they are worth compared to a conventional  pure gasoline sipper car. So, please enlighten me on what I am missing out on here. When you have to replace batteries after their cycle, and it costs anywhere from $4,000 to $6,000 dollars, and the little benifit that you get out of an electric car, what with it's 300 mille or so range, and 8 to 12 hour recharge time, please tell me how that is superior technology without chortling to death on your current favorite choice of beverage. I am really curious how the electric vehicle is so vastly superior, that the U.S. Gov has to provide an at LEAST $10.000 subsidy of my tax dollars, and it STILL costs $20,000 more than a stripper base car that gets superior miles per gallon, and is cheaper to operate and maintain over a 10 year life span. PLEASE enlighten me. I am a moron and need to be told how this all works. Plus, the toxic batteries end up in a landfill, because no one has a system set up to recylce them. Plus, you can't really tow anything, or haul extra material or a bunch of American FAT people, because that will drop the milage to zero., or tow a trailer. WOW, Please enlighten me on what I am missing here. Please tell me how wonderful life would be if I bought one. Tell me how they are so great, the Gov has to use my tax dollars as an incentive for me to by one. Why don't the effing GOV just give me back my $10,000 dollars that they STOLE from me and let me make my own fricking decision? Gee, what a concept? Maybe I am showing myself to be a fool by speaking out. Maybe, just maybe, you are showing yourself to be the ultimate dumbazz. Let's see a picture of your hybrid, and a signed thank you from the Prez himself. And from the recently shut down Volt facility, because the only purchasers were GM employees forced to buy them. Does that make you feel greener? Or the fact that you have to plug them into an outlet that is powered by coal? Does that make you feel greener? Do you feel more superior somehow now? Do you feel that you have "one up" on some one now somehow? Really, what is your point? Is it just because it's an electric vehicle that gets you pumped up somehow? It's a pointless and useless arguement. I would like to agree with you. I really would. But electric cars are not the answer. They still rely on coal or natural gas to provide their pathetic short ranges, and have a vast, heavy array of toxic batteries to deal with.   

[GranCuda1970]

Spot on Gumby!! But everone on this site loves to drive Gas guzzlin  street bucklin  noise polluting  Monsta's  so the envirowheenies can kiss my big AMERICAN  rosey red cheeked @$$%^!!  I will never comply to stupidity.

[GranCuda1970]

Not sure,.. but I thought hydrogen was hard to store!! Heard it leaks from the containment tanks. Molecules slip through everything. Have they made a tank that can hold all of the stuff in without it leaking out like a helium balloon deflating over time.

[TinCuda]

Doesn't anyone remember the Hindenburg?

Oh,the humanities!


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[Gumby]

Recycle me! lol! Please do! HP_Cuda, you do realize, don't you, that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the UNIVERSE! How could it POSSIBLY be expensive to develop or store or charge for? It Is The Most ABUNDANT element in the UNIVERSE! Oh - but wait, it might cost a bit of money to create it. AH, I see. Spoken like someone that wants to control it somehow. Didn't they teach you that in science class when you were a kid? I used to wonder why a lake wouldn't catch fire when it evaporated, because all that would be left is Hydrogen and Oxygen. You know what? The lakes never exploded, when they evaporated, never caught fire. Even though Hydrogen and Oxygen were both involved. You would think that the Hydrogen would start on fire and the Oxygen would fuel the fire. But that has never happened in the history of man. Yes Hydrogen can be volitile. But how in Gods Green EARTH can it be expensive to contain and burn for an energy source, when it is THE MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE? You blow me away, dude. Mankind is barking up the wrong tree. Only because there are profits to be made. We might run out of coal or natural gas, but there is NO way we can ever run out of Hydrogen. It might put millions of people out of work. It might kill the infrastructure that we now have in place. It would be a huge inconvinience for many people.  But it would instantly kill our reliance of foriegn countries on their gas reserves. It would instantly make gas/oil barons poor overnight, and it would instantly please all the greenies. It would be SO COOL to see happen. 40 percent of the people on this planet would be out of a job overnight. It will never come to pass. Ah, it's probably to expensive anyway! Converting all that Hydrogen just lying around into fuel. ROFLMFAO! Whatever. Hydrogen fuel cells are not a new concept. Every house should have it's own fuel cell to run it. Every car should as well. Don't even need Tesla for this conversation.

[dutch]

Recycle me! lol! Please do! HP_Cuda, you do realize, don't you, that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the UNIVERSE! How could it POSSIBLY be expensive to develop or store or charge for? It Is The Most ABUNDANT element in the UNIVERSE! Oh - but wait, it might cost a bit of money to create it. AH, I see. Spoken like someone that wants to control it somehow. Didn't they teach you that in science class when you were a kid? I used to wonder why a lake wouldn't catch fire when it evaporated, because all that would be left is Hydrogen and Oxygen. You know what? The lakes never exploded, when they evaporated, never caught fire. Even though Hydrogen and Oxygen were both involved. You would think that the Hydrogen would start on fire and the Oxygen would fuel the fire. But that has never happened in the history of man. Yes Hydrogen can be volitile. But how in Gods Green EARTH can it be expensive to contain and burn for an energy source, when it is THE MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE? You blow me away, dude. Mankind is barking up the wrong tree. Only because there are profits to be made. We might run out of coal or natural gas, but there is NO way we can ever run out of Hydrogen. It might put millions of people out of work. It might kill the infrastructure that we now have in place. It would be a huge inconvinience for many people.  But it would instantly kill our reliance of foriegn countries on their gas reserves. It would instantly make gas/oil barons poor overnight, and it would instantly please all the greenies. It would be SO COOL to see happen. 40 percent of the people on this planet would be out of a job overnight. It will never come to pass. Ah, it's probably to expensive anyway! Converting all that Hydrogen just lying around into fuel. ROFLMFAO! Whatever. Hydrogen fuel cells are not a new concept. Every house should have it's own fuel cell to run it. Every car should as well. Don't even need Tesla for this conversation.

wow.... I thought I were the only one thinking hydrogen has the future...

using solar energy to make hydrogen is possible too.... how clean and cheap is that...

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/norway-hynor-project.htm