Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.

[mopar_guy333]

Which is cool,i hope to have one of those too lol.but this is the kind im talking about..I know there isnt any pics in this thread but this is my only one promise.

[Andrew]

Lets see...


Ah found it.

The best of both worlds, 1991 toyota supra with 6 cyl 265 HEMI

[Oldschool]

The guys I work with are telling me the sport compacts rule the drag strip in the street legal classes. Does anyone have some solid facts that I can show these guys?

Show em this:  http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

That oughta straighten it out for ya!        Oldschool

[Super Blue 72]

Nice list, Oldschool! 

What I would be curious to see though is another column added on with the price of the cars listed.

I dunno the $$$ of all of them (some of them unobtainable for the average Joe) (What the heck is a MT900 Photon? A particle accelerator???) but I have to give some respect the the Subaru STI and the Mitsubishi EVO RS that you can pick up at the dealership for around $30K.  With a little mods, they'll pull 12's at the dragstrip. 

My brother in law was in shock when he went up to New England Dragway in NH and saw the Subarus being the fastest street cars there.  Plus they'll get you home using pocket change for gas money, and in the snow with AWD. 

The 1993 Toyota Supra had 320hp factory from a 6 cylinder.  I believe they stopped importing them to the US in 1997 as they weren't selling well.  Imagine if they continued to develope that engine/car until now?  I could only imagine what kind of car it would be.  A TT Supra can be modified (so I've heard) to a streetable 600hp.  Race versions are 1100+hp.

My heart is with muscle cars but some of the foreign cars (not ricer all show, no go stuff) deserve a little respect.  But definately there's nothing like stomping on the gas of a car with an American V8.  Just my 2 cents.

[Street_Challenged73]

Nice list, Oldschool! 

What I would be curious to see though is another column added on with the price of the cars listed.

I dunno the $$$ of all of them (some of them unobtainable for the average Joe) (What the heck is a MT900 Photon? A particle accelerator???) but I have to give some respect the the Subaru STI and the Mitsubishi EVO RS that you can pick up at the dealership for around $30K.  With a little mods, they'll pull 12's at the dragstrip. 

My brother in law was in shock when he went up to New England Dragway in NH and saw the Subarus being the fastest street cars there.  Plus they'll get you home using pocket change for gas money, and in the snow with AWD. 

The 1993 Toyota Supra had 320hp factory from a 6 cylinder.  I believe they stopped importing them to the US in 1997 as they weren't selling well.  Imagine if they continued to develope that engine/car until now?  I could only imagine what kind of car it would be.  A TT Supra can be modified (so I've heard) to a streetable 600hp.  Race versions are 1100+hp.

My heart is with muscle cars but some of the foreign cars (not ricer all show, no go stuff) deserve a little respect.  But definately there's nothing like stomping on the gas of a car with an American V8.  Just my 2 cents.

I know what you mean, Super Blue 72.  I'm at a college where there's only a few muscle car guys here (know most of them lol) and the rest are into the sport compact scene.  I do respect some of the cars around here as they're done tastefully without any excess things added to them to mock up their look.  I know one guy with an Eagle Talon TSI AWD that's turbocharged that can really haul, yet is mild on the fuel consumption even with around 320hp at the wheels.  I wouldn't mind having a daily driver that has some go behind it just for some fun every now and then, so I'd find it hard to turn down a turbocharged Stealth (TT), which is basically a Mitsibishi Eclipse with Dodge badges) or something in the same price range.  I still love my old iron, but there are some cheap, go fast newer cars out there that wouldn't be too bad for daily driving. (and it'd beat driving my Toyota Corolla 4 door!)

[mech1nxh]

I'm a newb here , but had to add my .02$
on the money issue.. I have two projects under construction,
a 67 b/cuda with a host of factory go fast parts (original pieces)
and a 85 daytona which will soon have a TII,Getrag 555 ,16v Hybrid 2.2 turbo
My cudas power potential is obvious
the daytona is a different ball game, but there is a HUGE following for these cars,
people are regularly building streetable d/d's with 250-600 WHP...with NO NITROUS....

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/cmps_index.php

http://www.turbododge.com/forums/index.php?s=4419a7513898c834e2bc8d50d2c78bfd&

http://boostedmopar.com/forums/portal.php

most of these cars are built for UNDER 5k$.....

and all of the owners are very serious racers..........and ricer killers...LOL

just goes to show ya MOPAR RULES.....PERIOD. YEAH SO I AM BIASED!!!!  SO....
dont get me wrong I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR RACERS/TUNERS/ENTHUSIASTS OF ANY MAKE OR MODEL
but the operative word here is RACERS!!!  not titty sucking went to the shelf and bolted
on a fart can wanna bees who wouldent know a red ram  if it ass bit them....lol
or any other hemi for that matter.... and thier cars have all the uniqueness of a dial tone
OK..OK...OK.....THANKS for letting me rant. and as a final comment (I like the fact ya'll love pics)
see the pic below...(WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS)
8.6  146mph   close to 1k  WHP,
and lets not forget the SRT4....TALK ABOUT SPORT COMPACT ROCKET MOPAR.....

"Lots of engines make serious horsepower, but TOP FUEL uses the most powerfull on the planet
and those are HEMI"

[crcarch]

I haven't burrowed through the nine pages of this thread, so someone may have already made this point, but the term Muscle Car technically covers more than just the iconic American iron from the 60's & 70's. It's about big power-to-weight ratios and putting way more motor in a car than is ever needed for civilized driving.  An SRT4 and many of the imports fit that description.

I'm not into the new stuff. My heart's with the traditional definition, but you've got to respect the ability to get 300+ HP out of 4-cylinders. And right now, it's the future of muscle cars. Steet_Challenged73's comments reflect that. The old stuff is getting way to rare and expensive to touch unless it's a basket-case.  Realize that for the kids today, a 5-10 year old beater that they can buy cheap, learn to work on and hop-up themselves is typically a 4 cylinder Honda or Toyota or Nissan.  The big 3 gave up that market when new V8 Camaro's and Mustangs hit $20K+ in the 90s. My son has a 94 Firebird and he's the only one of his friends into V8 power.

Hopefully the resurgance of the Muscle Car (GTO, 05 Mustang, 09 Challenger & Camaro) in traditional form will start to take hold of this generation as it did for us and bring the icons back from the past. 

[MEK-Dangerfield]

I haven't burrowed through the nine pages of this thread, so someone may have already made this point, but the term Muscle Car technically covers more than just the iconic American iron from the 60's & 70's. It's about big power-to-weight ratios and putting way more motor in a car than is ever needed for civilized driving.  An SRT4 and many of the imports fit that description.

I'm not into the new stuff. My heart's with the traditional definition, but you've got to respect the ability to get 300+ HP out of 4-cylinders. And right now, it's the future of muscle cars. Steet_Challenged73's comments reflect that. The old stuff is getting way to rare and expensive to touch unless it's a basket-case.  Realize that for the kids today, a 5-10 year old beater that they can buy cheap, learn to work on and hop-up themselves is typically a 4 cylinder Honda or Toyota or Nissan.  The big 3 gave up that market when new V8 Camaro's and Mustangs hit $20K+ in the 90s. My son has a 94 Firebird and he's the only one of his friends into V8 power.

Hopefully the resurgance of the Muscle Car (GTO, 05 Mustang, 09 Challenger & Camaro) in traditional form will start to take hold of this generation as it did for us and bring the icons back from the past. 

   

   Heck, if I was 20 years younger(don't I wish), I might find the 60's-70's muscle cars too outdated too. I think it boils down to what you saw or had while you were growing up. I'm not condemming ricers, but that isn't my type of car for sure. As for converting this generation to "our" game with the new GTO, Challenger, and such... time will only tell.
 

  Mike

[Street_Challenged73]

   

   Heck, if I was 20 years younger(don't I wish), I might find the 60's-70's muscle cars too outdated too. I think it boils down to what you saw or had while you were growing up. I'm not condemming ricers, but that isn't my type of car for sure. As for converting this generation to "our" game with the new GTO, Challenger, and such... time will only tell.
 

  Mike

I know what you mean, Mike.  I've always had the iconic image of the '69 Charger implanted into my head ever since I saw the one in the woods at my parent's friend's place. (the one I ended up purchasing at 14)  I'm sure that had a lot of the influence on what cars I would ultimately stick around with the rest of my life, but I think it's also the image that you build up with these cars that are peaking past $40,000+.  Most teens nowadays realize they'll never afford to own one of these cars, so they find these throw away cars (Hondas, Grand Ams, Toyotas, etc) for less than $5,000.00, mock them up to what their image of a cool car should look like (most of the time they'll end up looking like every other car out there), then join groups of fellow car enthusiasts who share the same interests as them to get the sense that they fit in. (don't we all do that anyways.)  Being young, I think it's good they can find sites to go and share information with each other on their future mods or just talk with each other in general, but it gets quite old when they join muscle car sites just to trash talk older cars and that their car will "smoke any of their rides".  Truth be told, if any muscle car owner could add a turbocharger to their car's setup, it's going to be a monster on the streets.  The problem is, we've already spent a lot of money completely rebuilding the car, so we usually just end up with a naturally aspirated engine that still pumps out impressive numbers for not running nitrous or any form of forced air induction.  I've found out that we enjoy our cars because of their masculine, bold body statements the factory came out with 30+ years ago, while Import guys are just out for a cheap means of transportation that they can make fast with a turbocharger to push the car's output way past what was ever expected of the manufacture's expectations for that car.  Just my 

[MEK-Dangerfield]

Hmm,
  I have to agree with your last line Street. I think we care about the beauty, while they are more into the speed thing. Again, I'm not knocking it. If I had a 4 banger, I would probably do what I could to get more out of it. I probably wouldn't care how funny that 3 inch fart can looked coming out the back either. 

  Mike

[Super Blue 72]

I've found out that we enjoy our cars because of their masculine, bold body statements the factory came out with 30+ years ago, while Import guys are just out for a cheap means of transportation that they can make fast with a turbocharger to push the car's output way past what was ever expected of the manufacture's expectations for that car.  Just my 

 

[mech1nxh]

well...
I it seems I have stired the $hit....
first let me clarify a couple of points
I joined this board to find resources for my BARRACUDA
as far as age goes...well I to wish I was a little younger, I spent 2.5k on a small block
65 FORMULA S in 1968, (barracudas always captured my youthfull fancy), and still do
I bought my 67 cuda in 77 and had the sense to hold on to it!!

I posted the other links SPECIFICALLY for the price comparison,
and the enthusiast info, if anyone takes the time to check them out
you will see intrest in classic mopar iron is VERY much alive and well

MA MOPAR produced more turbo charged vehicles than any mfgr ever!!!
(factory turbo daily driver) ,not S/E limited production.

point has been raised about "market buy in" and its entirely valid
BUT  almost all > 95 % of the "kids " I know would rather have
classic detroit iron than any import, not restating the obvious, just
updating opinions to what I know to be fact.

so......I have always been a minority, I dont have a "b" or "e" big block car
but I still have my love for MOPAR  turbo or not.

as far as the resurgence of the muscle car era, its long past due!!!

[crcarch]

It's always interesting to see how some of these threads with seemingly benign topics end up following a completely different course than originally intended.  Kinda reminds me of the old SNL skit where the "Jewish" talk show host throws out an off-the-wall topic and says "Talk amongst yourselves".

Ain't freedom of speech cool!
 

[flyguyskt]

i know there is atleast a few hondas in under the 10 sec.
one i have heard about was laying down 9.4's at around 160mph in a front drive civic!

[ReturnofCuda]

I know a local 69 Camaro that lays down High 7's and is driven on the street.