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low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« on: July 29, 2012 - 04:16:50 PM »
According to the stock ralley gauge my oil pressure lives somewhere in the lower 1/4 of the reading.  The engine has about 8k miles on a rebuild, although a previous owner had the work done and I don't know the details.  Is it at all possible the gague is not accurate?  Are there known issues with them?  I guess I'm hoping for something simple in the face of what could be a major problem...   :'(

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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012 - 07:33:46 PM »
you need to have a mech gauge connected to see what is going on , too many variables otherwise

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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012 - 09:25:07 PM »
How old is the gauge and wiring, older then some of us likely. It might be close or maybe not.

If you get a mechanical oil gauge and keep it, plumb it with metal tubing. Looks like cooper ? I used Autometer brand and allow for some engine movement.

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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012 - 10:49:14 PM »
Yes, I assume the gague and wiring are original...  Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into a mechanical gague and see what it reads.
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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012 - 06:09:09 PM »
OK, finally managed to install an AutoMeter mechanical pressure gauge using copper tubing.  At idle, it reads ~49psi when cold and ~21psi after 20 or 30 mins running.  Are those acceptable values? 

Interesting that the stock gauge needle seems to hover right around 1/4 line even when mechanical gauge reads 40+...  Once it warms up and presure drops to 20psi the stock gauge reads ~1/8. 
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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012 - 08:53:22 AM »
20 PSI at idle is OK as long as it rises with any RPM , 10 PSI / 1000 rpm is suggested as minimum so it should have 50 PSI at 5000 for example

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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012 - 12:51:00 AM »
OK, that is encouraging.  It does rise substantially with rpm.  My tach is not working so I can't comfirm the 10psi/1000 rpm correlation, but it did get above 40psi at moderate cruising speed.  Thanks much :thumbsup:
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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2012 - 07:15:02 PM »
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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2012 - 07:34:10 PM »
Found this, someone tested the factory gauge.


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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012 - 09:51:53 PM »
Thanks guys.  I've seen that pic in other posts here.  Its interesting but based on my gauge at least, it seems only partially relevent.  Whether the mech gauge reads 30 or 50 psi the stock needle hovers right around that first tick mark...  When the mech gauge goes down to 20, the stock drops down to the 18psi mark (or lower).  I'd be curious to know what might cause the variability in these stock gauges...  Sender? gauge function?  electricity? 
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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012 - 05:37:58 AM »
Thanks guys.  I've seen that pic in other posts here.  Its interesting but based on my gauge at least, it seems only partially relevent.  Whether the mech gauge reads 30 or 50 psi the stock needle hovers right around that first tick mark...  When the mech gauge goes down to 20, the stock drops down to the 18psi mark (or lower).  I'd be curious to know what might cause the variability in these stock gauges...  Sender? gauge function?  electricity?

There are three electro-mechanical issues with the variability:

1)  the gauge itself uses a small heater coil and a bi-metallic strip to move the needle.  It's nowhere near accurate and it's not even linear (as it heats up the resistance changes).

2)  the gauge runs on the 5V regulator behind the dash which is another bi-metallic device and therefore somewhat inaccurate.  I've read that this was done since they moved to 12V from 6V electrics way back when.  Rather than re-engineer the gauge design they just used a voltage limiter (that's what I read anyway).  If that's right then it should really be 6V but I think maybe they specced 5V to be on the safe side = lazy gauges.  I've tried a 6V regulator and the gauges do read better.

3)  the sender mounted on the engine block is an old fashioned rheostat (a bit like the one in the fuel tank).  A slider rubs up and down rows of resistance wire.  Again it's not too accurate and after a while the contact with some of the wires can be lost.  If you open them up there is an adjuster screw which allows you to move the slider's position relative to the resistance wire.  It's an easy way to improve your oil pressure  :icon16:

Overall it's a system installed more for entertainment than being anything very useful.
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Re: low oil pressure/gague accuracy?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012 - 09:43:56 AM »
Found this, someone tested the factory gauge.



Great pic!  Thanks!

Kinda weird though as my car lives at over 100psi when cold...  :clueless:
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