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Offline brads70

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Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« on: October 04, 2012 - 09:53:56 PM »
Got a few questions....
Has anyone actually measured Holley jets? I ask as I had 76 jets in the front and bought a new set of 74's . I measured the differences in sizes between the 2 jets and it was like.002- .003" ? Is this normal?

Also it ran best when I screwed in the screws all the way on the front metering block? Idle smoothed out, vacume was better and the air/fuel ratio gauge was cleaner?   What does this tell ya?

Here is the carb I bought. Q-850-AN
http://www.quickfueltechnology.com/carburetors-q-series/q-series-carburetor-850cfm-drag-an.html
« Last Edit: October 08, 2012 - 06:35:36 PM by brads70 »
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012 - 11:04:15 PM »
Can't answer any of your questions but once you figure yours out IllLet you set mine QF HR680. Did have someone mention that IMay need to bore a small hole in the throttle plate to allow more airflow. I don't know about that
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012 - 11:34:06 PM »
Never measured, but they are rated by what they flow, not hole size.
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012 - 01:45:30 AM »
The jet sizing is normal , usually you will see less change over 2 jet sizes than .003 thou
You have a problem if it runs best with the idle screw bottomed out , you are either getting fuel through an internal leak or the secondary side is feeding too much fuel in , turn all 4 screws in until the bottom & back them all out 1/2 & then adjust all 4 equally or cose the secondary idle screw down .

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012 - 05:02:07 PM »
interesting question on the screws. I ran into the same problem with my holley.  Where do I go from here to locate the issue?
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2012 - 01:23:58 PM »
If you have 4 idle screws you need to balance all of them , take them all to the bottom & back them out 1 turn then adjust them the same way turn them all out equally or in equally 1/8 of a turn each . Make sure the front & rear throttle is approx opened the same amount as well , there are idle speed screws for front & rear on all 4 bbls , the Holleys have them hidden & have to be adjusted from the bottom of the carb . If the engine still runs best with them all the way in then there is a fuel leak somewhere internally , either the powervalve is not closed at idle due to low vacuum or the wrong gaskets are installed in the carb . As mentioned often with low vacuum you have to open the throttle more to achieve Idle speed & will uncover the idle transfer slots , this makes the idle mixture screws insensitive so adjusting makes no difference , in this case you have to drill a small hole in the throttle plates [some carbs come already drilled] this allows more air into the engine without uncovering the transfer slots & retains mixture adjustment . the other thing that really helps with low vacuum engines is using smaller bleeds or restricting them this allow the lower vacuum to pull more fuel into the engine .

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2012 - 04:18:49 PM »
thanks for the info  :2thumbs: 
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012 - 06:29:34 PM »
You are welcome , let me know what you find , I just solved some of Brads issues talking on Skype

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2012 - 07:52:13 PM »
Neil, here is a picture of the metering block that we talked about on Skype. Notice no air bleeds?

« Last Edit: October 22, 2012 - 09:16:06 AM by brads70 »
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2012 - 09:37:30 PM »
weird , does the back one have anything ?

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012 - 04:36:35 AM »
weird , does the back one have anything ?

I don't know? Haven't had it off yet?
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012 - 02:48:09 PM »

that's wacky, did they machine it that way or just a mistake in not putting them in there?
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012 - 03:05:41 PM »
that's wacky, did they machine it that way or just a mistake in not putting them in there?

I have no idea, this is my first time with a quick fuel carb? It's machined/threaded for the brass inserts, just none installed?  :dunno:
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012 - 03:54:37 PM »
I have no idea, this is my first time with a quick fuel carb? It's machined/threaded for the brass inserts, just none installed?  :dunno:

Maybe shoot a quick email to QFC tech for a solid answer. I was told these were a Holley knock off and Holley parts could be used - supposedly manufacture is more closely scrutinized- does this look to be the case Brad? Also is the blue stuff on the metering block from the gasket - these gaskets are supposed to be reuseable with no stickum required(on a Holley anyhow)? These QF carbs are becoming very popular and I considered one but change can be difficult. :) 

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2012 - 04:33:57 PM »
This just makes me glad I went with the Proform carb.

I have my had fuel bowls off, and metering block once, without those gasket stains. I have re-used the original gaskets without trouble.

Now what is up with that metering block?    :clueless:

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