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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2012 - 02:29:49 PM »
Cool pics Brad, glad everything is working out. I'm still a bit shocked at the low power valve (2.5) but I guess if you are 1-2 points below where the car idles then you are on top of it. Now I wonder what kind of vacuum I'll see and if I will have to add a vacuum canister for my power brakes.

Oh the price we pay for fun...

Btw, you are at about 1000ft so you would have dropped 1/2 a jet size right there but still....

If you have the same cam or similar vacuum ... no way your running vac power brakes.

I just got in from a 114 mile run. Car does 140 KPH at 2500 RPM's! :2thumbs:
But the part that's shocking me is I think I'm getting about 17 MPG? :o   I must be calculating it wrong?
I went 114 miles and used 25.3 liters of fuel. Did I do the math right? :clueless:
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2012 - 04:50:40 PM »
So 25.3 liters works out to 6.68 gallons.

114 miles /  6.68 gallons = 17.06 mpg

Wow very nice, was that all freeway miles? What is your gearing?
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2012 - 05:46:43 PM »
So 25.3 liters works out to 6.68 gallons.

114 miles /  6.68 gallons = 17.06 mpg

Wow very nice, was that all freeway miles? What is your gearing?

3:55 in the rear  4L60 OD     .75 OD I think it is?  About half freeway miles the rest secondary roads...2 lane 80KPH speed limits
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2012 - 10:04:13 PM »
I make it 20.5 MPG on Imperial gals or 17.06 MPG on US gals

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2012 - 10:05:16 PM »
Sounds about right , I think we had 17.6 MPG from a 512 CI on us gals using a Proform 950

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2012 - 12:20:36 PM »
wow great millage.

Does the car like to idle at 14.5 AFR or so.  The reason I ask, is that my car seems to like 13.5 on the meter.  Any closer to 14.7 and it seem to run rougher..the meter bumps around quite a bit, almost like a miss.

Just want to see if I can fine tune it any more.  It is still a littel smelly at 13.5

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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2012 - 03:00:09 PM »
wow great millage.

Does the car like to idle at 14.5 AFR or so.  The reason I ask, is that my car seems to like 13.5 on the meter.  Any closer to 14.7 and it seem to run rougher..the meter bumps around quite a bit, almost like a miss.

Just want to see if I can fine tune it any more.  It is still a littel smelly at 13.5

Jason

 I found it goes to about 13 when in gear ( auto) and then 14.5 or so when in gear at idle. With light throttle going down the hwy it's at about 14 or so, mine bounces around too. It goes lean for a split second if I quickly let off the throttle at speed
I'll have to mess with the squirters next as when I floor it on the hwy it goes lean for a split second. I still have to adjust the tranny controler too as it doesn't drop out of OD when I floor it either.
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2012 - 02:08:51 PM »
sounds like you nearly have it,  wish you was nearby  id let you come figure out my quickfuel hr680 vs
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2012 - 02:34:21 PM »
sounds like you nearly have it,  wish you was nearby  id let you come figure out my quickfuel hr680 vs

 Ya me too , that would be fun!
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2012 - 12:33:46 AM »
Missed the air/fuel gauge type you are using, mind sharing?  Also, what RPM are you shifting at?  Or are you going to shift at?
That is some killer mileage.  I wonder what I would get with that OD setup.  With my 520, I get a little better than 14 mpg.  I was on the throttle a bit hard and a little too often, but thought I did pretty good!  My truck barely gets that!
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2012 - 08:02:42 AM »
Missed the air/fuel gauge type you are using, mind sharing?  Also, what RPM are you shifting at?  Or are you going to shift at?
That is some killer mileage.  I wonder what I would get with that OD setup.  With my 520, I get a little better than 14 mpg.  I was on the throttle a bit hard and a little too often, but thought I did pretty good!  My truck barely gets that!

It's just an autometer 2 1/16 gauge, drilled and welded the bung for the O2 sensor in the header. The tranny controler ( Simple Shift) controls the shift points , shift firmness , and when the lockup convertor applies. I'm still messing with the settings as fall weather is here and I didnt get much time to mess with it yet. I can always shift manually if I want to.
14 MPG sounds pretty good too! Especially without an OD tranny and that monster motor!  :clapping:
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2012 - 07:45:03 PM »
I started with a couple of Tech Edge wb's that I built about 12 years ago.  They still work nicely.

Then I bought a couple of Innovate LC-1's and the history on the LC-1 has been not so good for me as well as a lot of other people.  Some say the LM version is better, but, I had enough after going thru three of them (LC-1s).

I spent some time today installing an NGK-AFX wb on one of my cars.  It has a very good reputation.  The display is not a fancy 2 1/6" gauge like many but it is both reliable and accurate.  I am not too concerned about the display as I will display the analog out on my scanntool as a default rather than the narrow band O2s which I only use as a back up opinion because I am running speed density and not using them for fuel control.

The other two brands that are very popular are the PLX and the AEM.  Both seem quite reliable.

One of the most sensitive issues with wb's seems to be the grounding.  It is important to have all grounds attached to the same point and it should be to the battery, or a good engine ground point.

Carbs are a bit more tedious to tune because you have to mess with the bleeds to get the mid range down as lean as you would like.

Generally, a stock cammed engine will idle in the 14's, but the larger the cam, the richer it needs to be to keep a stable idle.  We see this on the efi cars as well.  Don't be surprised to see an AF in the 12's on an engine with a long duration cam at idle.  Neil mentioned something in another thread regarding the poor atomization of fuel by a carb at idle which may make it necessary to run richer to get a good idle and this is completely true.  Always tune for what runs best...not what theory says :)

For cruise, I have found that AF's between 15 and 16.5-1 give the best gas mileage.  Some cars will be closer to stoch because it is hard to get a little enrichment as the load rises slightly.
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2012 - 05:33:28 PM »
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This is the screw in air bleed I'll drill out a few thou at a time when I get the drill set I ordered

Brad - what they told you here conflicts with the metering block picture that you posted. On there it says to decrease the IFR hole to lean out the idle circuit. Whereas they told you in he quote too increase it. If it meters air then make it bigger, if it meters fuel then make it smaller I guess
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2012 - 06:24:28 PM »
Brad - what they told you here conflicts with the metering block picture that you posted. On there it says to decrease the IFR hole to lean out the idle circuit. Whereas they told you in he quote too increase it. If it meters air then make it bigger, if it meters fuel then make it smaller I guess

I belive the screw in insert at the top is air, then other one near the bottom is fuel.
Brad
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Re: Tuning a new quick fuel 850
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2014 - 08:50:52 AM »
Resurecting an old thread I know, but lots of info in it. Brad, what was the reason for having to drill the throttle plates and air bleeds? Do you have a radical cam in there? Was the carb not really intended for the engine you have?
I have a quick fuel BD-850 on it's way to my house. Kinda hoping I don't have to go through the same excercises as you.
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