Pam and I will be heading that way (of course), I do think that except for PistolGripper and us the rest of you guys will be more NW (we are more or less due west) and our meeting location can be more east than has been the last couple years. You shouldn't have to drive south and then east just to meet up with us, we can "meet" you, DOES ANY OF THIS MAKE SENSE ? At any rate, we will be leaving on Thursday, you can work out a time table from there David, THANKS :thumbs: