Passed15% ethanol---will damage older cars AAA warning

[moparmaniac59]

I read the article on Fox news about the new 15% ethanol, but maybe I misunderstood it. It said that only vehicles from years 2001 and up are approved (and compatible) for usage of the 15% ethanol. That the gas we are using now which is 10% ethanol isn't going away or being replaced by the 15%. So not to worry, although I'd rather use gasoline without ANY ethanol!! 


                                                                            Matt B.

[AARuFAST]

I read the article on Fox news about the new 15% ethanol, but maybe I misunderstood it. It said that only vehicles from years 2001 and up are approved (and compatible) for usage of the 15% ethanol. That the gas we are using now which is 10% ethanol isn't going away or being replaced by the 15%. So not to worry, although I'd rather use gasoline without ANY ethanol!! 


                                                                            Matt B.

This thread was started regarding 15% ethanol bill passed to increase from 10% to 15%. Correct,  vehicles after 2001 are approved to use E85.

When my wife and I vacationed in the rockie's, CO. NM. Ut, Az. Wy, Mo. the octane ratings varied, you also could purchase leaded reg. gasoline.
This was in the 80's and 90's any input Cuda Hunter......or anyone living in those states?
How about Canada, Brad70 what is the octane ratings. Eh.  Maryland octane is 85,  87,  93. 

[brads70]

I think it's 87, 91, 94?

[tommyg29]

87 89 and 93 typically sold in Florida, with most of it being E10.
It cost much more to produce ethanol than it does regular gasoline, at least now.
The taxpayers pay to subsidize production that otherwise would never be supportable in the free market, much like the tens of billions we pay to support companies like solyndra and all the others that produce a product that there is virtually no market for, just so they can try to sell it for less than it cost them to make it!
Much like the corn growing agribusinesses, that money trail leads straight to washington business cronies who are lining their pockets.

[rockymopar]

I have been using a fuel hose that has a blue (teflon???) lining in it. It is rated as high pressure  fuel injection hose. I have pretty good luck with it so far. I have started using it on my lawnmowers too. Has anyone had any experience with it. So far my experience has been good, but warning, its expensive. If you are modified, this may be a good time to go EFI. I can slap some 4.7 dakota injectors that are E85 rated, in my 5.9 magnum, retune and be ready for any and all up to E85

[HP2]

Rocy Mtn states have octane ranging from 81 to 91 and ethanol mixes ranging form zero to 10%, and now 15%. Prices for the low grade stuff also range form a low of $3.25 in Montana to $3.95 in Colorado.

The rub with putting 15% out there and saying it is only for 2001 and newer cars is that not all the stations are going to have the tanks and pumps to support E10 and  E15 in three different grades, plus E85, and diesel, so there are going to be some weird girations going on at some stations, some confusion for other drivers who don't know the difference, and issues with some vehicle damage in time because of the ignorance.

Yes, there are a number of subsidies around enthanol production. I'll admit ignornace to understanding how much and how far they all go. I've never bothered to research it much. Like I said earlier, the US government has surely screwed it all up. Ultimately, DC is such a mess that the whole enthanol issues is a drop in the river of a set of much bigger issues they refuse to deal with.

If you want to know what Washington is doing that directly impacts the car hobby, be it E15, noise, modifications, lighting, etc, consider joining the SEMA Action Network. They publish a monthly newsletter of various activities of Federal and state legislation issues impacting enthusiasts.

[AARuFAST]

click below

http://www.fuel-testers.com/list_e10_engine_damage.html


replacing fuel in your tank every 1-2 weeks will usually limit the occurrence of P/S and W/C
ethanol alcohol fuel blends expire in 90 days
may expire even sooner when exposed to excessive water.
studies have shown that after 100 days, alcohol fuels absorb enough moisture
to phase separation.

[Topcat]

Just make this thread a sticky.

[GranCuda1970]

Well I bet the price of even that crap is going to be going back up pretty soon. My employers a Global Company is starting to cut back again..., looks like the prospects for the next 5 months economically is not looking to good. Our Company normally is not affected unless it is gonna be a doosie and this seems like 2008 all over again. Just a Heads up.

[LAA66]

  Luckily there are several stations here in Oregon that sell non ethanol (92 octane) fuel. Although it is $.75 cents a gallon more.

[ek3]

i must be the lucky'est guy on earth!! we have 100 octane race gas at the pump. [unleaded] just pull up and fill up . THEN PAY UP !! 7$ per gal. but if they keep upping the % of eth. in your gas it  may  actually be cheaper.    

[AARCUDADEN]

I can buy race gas at a station right up the road from my house at a mere 7.50 a gallon 

[msbaugh]

Ethanol is a dream, and a stupid one!! Corn is for corn bread and drinking whiskey not for putting in your *** damn cars!!!

[JoltinJoe]

I really hope I don't insult too many with this posting.  So I'll start with a quick gift!  Find the closest ethanol-free gasoline station here --> http://pure-gas.org/comments If, like me, you can not obtain ethanol-free gas in your area, always put in the highest octane available for your 2006 and earlier.  NEVER, let the vehicle sit without running for over 30 days - get out there and run it!  These are easy things you can do now.

There are several things I'd like to comment about, but I'll keep it to two in an attempt to offend less... 
First, everything the brewer said about making our fuel from WASTE products is great and should make everyone feel good.  Could this process make post 2006 vehicles fuel cost raise, sure.  But it would be taking the good with the bad a li'l bit.

Secondly, I am shocked at how many people put there vehicle/hobby ahead of the environment.  We still use fossil fuels; and that is NEANDERTHAL - with no pun intended.

[GranCuda1970]

Secondly, I am shocked at how many people put there vehicle/hobby ahead of the environment.  We still use fossil fuels; and that is NEANDERTHAL - with no pun intended.

I'm shocked too!!....

  I am shocked people would falsify data to try and control the Masses. Global warming is a Hoax based of farse data . It's intent is to control people and get rich doing it,.. nothing more and nothin less. If Global warming was so friggin important!,.. and we were in such peril!,.. I am sure China, and all of asia would not be polluting so much and would have thier own UN agenda driven EPA's neutering thier manufacturing sectors too.  Now Global weather patterns have been changing, alot of this is man made and man influenced by Governments. Governments have been trying to control the weather since the 1950's including our own.