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Offline MOPAR FANATIC

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NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« on: December 14, 2012 - 01:38:42 PM »
 :1zhelp: WTF is wrong with people today.another shooting in a elementary school in connecticut,27 dead so far including 18 elementry students.also says one entire class is unaccounted for.makes me sick to my stomach when people can't even send their young children to school anymore and have to worry about this  :swear:  going on in todays world.i don't know what lse to say but  :swear:   :swear:  :swear:

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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012 - 01:46:07 PM »
 :o :swear: :walkaway:
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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012 - 01:49:54 PM »
Merry Christmas World

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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012 - 03:00:17 PM »
If that SOB wanted to off himself - he should have went ahead and did it. But to kill all those other innocent people is just tragic. They had nothing to do with his misguided world....
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012 - 03:14:36 PM »
just saw it on the news... not many things bring a tear in my eyes  :( 
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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2012 - 06:46:52 PM »
 :iagree: Lack of GOD thats the worlds problem.
What does it profit a man to gain the whole would and lose his soul.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2012 - 08:26:27 PM »
If that SOB wanted to off himself - he should have went ahead and did it.
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I wish people like that would just point the gun at themselves first...instead of last.
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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012 - 02:23:11 AM »
It's time for Mental Health to be made an issue in this Country. No one wants to discuss it. No insurance company wants to pay for it. Whether we choose to ignore it or not - a cost WILL be paid by all, one way or another. Money or life. All of these recent "mass shootings" have been committed by people on anti-psychotic drugs, in one form or another. You don't blame the car or the booze in a drunk driving killing. You blame the PERSON. Hate me if you will, but not long ago, people like this were confined to a basement or an attic or a sanatarium. Integrate them with society and marvel at the results. My condolenses to the families affected by this tragedy. READ the side affects by these drugs. LISTEN to the side affects when the advertise these drugs on tv as a cure all. And that is just the drugs for the general public. This stuff is dynomite. What did you expect?
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012 - 02:44:29 AM »
My daughter has Aspergers and I have taken her to the gun range several times in her life. She is a strait A student has freinds is very involved with the church and I am Lucky to have been blessed with a child so Good natured.

   This kid had other issues , Demons , and no working support system. I think he was picked on cause he looked Dorky and had aspergers which makes social interaction very difficult. People tend to be mean when they interact with people who are different. My daughter was picked on very hard when she was in elementary and middle school. She was so strong and did not let it affect her. We found out around that time what she had and the 1st 8yrs of her life must have been difficult in school we did not know she had asperger until then.

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2012 - 03:37:29 AM »
I'm not saying all the situations are the same. Yes, kids can be cruel. I was fat when I was a kid. HOO BOY! was it fun during recess when they played whiffle ball with the shirts vs. the skins. I also had man boobs. (I wasn't really THAT fat, but I DID have man boobs) I used to use a belt around my man boobs under my shirt to make them less noticible. I lost a lot of weight for wrestling, but still had man boobs. I would go from 200 plus for football to 155 for wrestling. Still manboobs. I know how cruel kids can be. The cruel kids grow into cruel adults. It never changes. I've owned guns since I was 12 or so when my dad bought me my first 22. I NEVER ever , ever thought about going on some stupid rampage. I own a lot of stuff now, and would still, NEVER ever entertain that kind of thought. I don't understand those that do. I've never been on meds. But my understanding is that every one of these mass shooting things, that the perpetrator had been on some kind of meds. This world now, however, is a very different world than the one I grew up in. I don't know what the answer is, and I don't think anyone else does either. I would almost bet 100% that the kid was beating up his mom or terrorizing her, and she probably tried to get help, but couldn't. She probably had the weapons for self defense, but would never have been able to use them. (on her own son) I've personally seen a situation where the kid was beating up his parents, and there was nothing they were able to do. They would put him in a psychiatric facility, and as soon as the insurance ran out, he was declared cured (ten days) and released back to the parents. At the time, he was around 20. The kid was an absolute raving lunatic. That's the way our system works. The people that need help, don't get it. Until after the fact.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012 - 03:56:04 AM »
Oh, By the way. Just so that you are all aware. Obama gets all teary eyed about the death of children. yet he is Pro Abortion.
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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012 - 05:17:23 AM »
Yep, and the worst Kind late term and at birth! But But the Children. Hey Your kids will have to go through a lot worse if you lose your right to defend yourself ( 2nd amend), cause then you will eventually lose your right to free speech ( 1st amend )., Like in Canada and the UK where conservative thinking can get your kids taken away , or branded for HATE speech because the libs there don,t like what you have to say!. Too many people have died because of this kind of thinking. In Europe a man just rampaged through a Political camp with pistols killing whjat almost 100 kids. Banning guns will help, SURE  :puke: Or like in Chicago where the drug cartels ferry thier drugs, banning guns really helps there don,t it. Or in DC. I would gladly accept the losses we may have to live with from Gun toting whacko's than THE LOSSES WE WOULD Take when we finally have a powerhungry leader in charge of a like minded government. History has shown us too many times it CAN happen here!

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012 - 06:19:10 AM »
I dont usually vent my opinion in this kind of discussions for the simple reason there are so many difference in eu vs usa culture but...
Here in the netherlands we have them famous coffeeshops where every one can walk in and get soft drugs.  Before there were shops like this everyone could get softdrugs too, but most didnt because they had to go to shady apartement buildings in shady neighbourhoods to get some.  I dont like the way youth runs in and out of these shops these days, but they do.
now, I know your history with guns is totally different from ours, but if I wanted to get me a gun, it wouldn`t be easy... I guess if I really really wanted to, I could get one and do my thing. The threshold is so low for getting a gun in the us... I think there would be less killing if people would have a day or two to rethink before they could have their hands on a weapon. Sure, if someone really is determined to do harm they will, but I think there are many who do this in the heat of the moment. So you have the right to defend yourself, but where are the gunmen when **** like this happens? They are always too late...
-We also are very different nations on abortion matters. Not judging anyones feelings or opinions here, just wondering; when a woman gets pregnant after rape... what do you do?  some in my country state that hardly ever happens, or it probably was the lady`s fault.... personally  that makes me sick.
-as for aspergers... most people working at nasa have it.  I really dont see what this has anything to do with what happened. It`s mostly people around aspergers who have a problem with them.

again, I really dont want to step on anyones toes here, just curious.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012 - 07:25:30 AM »
Dutch, I really respect your opinions. The U.S. evolved with a gun culture. It is ingrained into us. "God made man, but Samual Colt made them equal" or some such quote. You bring up some very interesting questions, and scenarios. Who decides who is mentally competent? You give doctors that right, and anything from a knock on the head to simple depression could be used against you. There might be some that would whack you in the head on purpose. You bring up waiting periods. Fine. But what if you are a victim of domestic assault, and the angry husband wants to kill the wife, when no cops are around? Can you look her in the eye and say you have to wait a week or two? The Pro Life / Pro Abortion arguement continues to this day. And as you have noted, it is not all black and white. it is very Murky. Some say the social decline started when Pro Abortion came on the scene, because it collectively sent a message to the public that life wasn't worth anything. Go ahead and clean up your mess and go out and party on, with no consequences. Life means nothing. Others bring up the rape scenerio. I'm not trying to make excuses or provide answers. I'm merely presenting facts. If all guns were taken away, it would not stop killings. Look at China schools. An attack happened the same day as the CT shooting did. They routinely deal with knife/hatchet/machete deaths in their schools all the time. It would be nice if it was all simple and orderly. But, we are humans. We are grimy and nasty and ugly. Lot's of people think that the problem is lack of God. There have been more deaths in the world, in the name of God than anything else. Your God is not as good as my God, so I must kill you. lol. THAT is certianly NOT the answer. Or I will kill you because your skin is not the right color. Or because you are not of my clan. Whatever. Mankind has been trying to supress, on one hand, the killing of people, yet has no qualms about going to war and trying to impose their beliefs on others, and will go to outrageous lengths to make their point. Killing hundreds of thousands in the process. Millions upon millions. We can send troops all over the world and kill hundreds of thousands of people for oil, yet a few children gunned downed cause absolute outrage. NONE of it makes any stinking sense. None of it. Germany killed millions and millions in WW2. Japanese alledgedly kill girls at birth, because they favor boys. Where is the outrage for all the homeless or street prostitutes, or innocent people killed one by one everyday? No One Cares. But if you group a bunch of them together all at once, all of a sudden it's an outrage. Kinda like that idiot pro football player that killed his girlfriend and then himself. OOhhh... he was somebody IMPORTANT! not. Yet the same day, a custodian, a janitor killed himself in some other pro football team complex, and no one - absolutely NO ONE gave two shats. Isrealis apparently arm their teachers, and train them. And they have never had an incident like we have. We here in America, have shifted to a policy where nothing is your fault. No personal responsibility. If 10 school kids have a race, instead of a 1, 2, 3, finish - everyone will be given ribbons and told how special they are. 10 feel good ribbons. That way, no feelings will be hurt. Everyone is a winner. No one is held accountable for their actions. Everyone gets a free obama phone. No one is spanked or disciplined. Every one is ADD and is given anti-psychotic drugs like they are m & m's. I should probably shut up now. lol. You can figure out where it goes from here. Just look at bankrupt California. The whole thing is messed up. OH! ALL of these shooting have happened in a "Gun Free" zone. So the shooters know well in advance that they will have absolutely no opposition. By the way, the biggest killing of school children in U.S. History occured in 1927. The Bath school disaster, in which 38 school children were killed by bombs. Not pistols or rifles, but bombs. Happened in Michigan. Google it.
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Re: NOT AGAIN-SO SAD
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012 - 09:40:09 AM »
Here's a perfect example I just read that the clackamas town center shooter in Oregon would have killed alot more people had he not been drawn on by a citizen with a permited handgun. He withdrew under a stair area and shot himself instead of killing more people. Did not read that in the newspaper did we. Shows the antigun agenda being thrust forward.