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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #150 on: December 30, 2012 - 11:20:10 PM »
Sooo, as to the OP's original question. Has anybody had personal experience where a concealed (or maybe just accessible?) firearm saved lives? :dunno:

I posted some way earlier




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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #151 on: December 30, 2012 - 11:25:36 PM »
Sorry, way out of line. haven't hunted in a while. Not trying to troll. Ill shut up now.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #152 on: December 30, 2012 - 11:30:37 PM »
Shooting M-16's in the Army:

I'm left handed.

Hot bullet casings flying out right next to my face. Got burned a few times.
Lost most of my hearing in my left ear too.

Rifles seem to be made for only right handed people back then.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #153 on: December 31, 2012 - 04:13:30 AM »
I agree with Brads post about a nation losing its moral and spiritual way, as an Aussie we have removed most of the legal guns from law abiding citizens here in Australia but the criminals have no problems getting them. When a person confronts an aggressive person with a show of similar force the criminal backs away due to their cowardly nature. The media will always try to whip up negative emotions against gun owners and the politicians will blindly follow.   :banghead:
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #154 on: December 31, 2012 - 06:47:35 AM »
I posted some way earlier
Thanks Grimmey71, somehow missed those. I didn't think there would be a lot of personal experiences from members, but I was beginning to think there weren't going to be any.
What got me to checking this thread again was the media in both countries talking about and showing 'turn in your gun to the police' and buy back programs. Reporters are trying to sell this as making the country safer. I can understand how a person could be very upset with recent shooting events and want to get rid of their own guns. But those people that want to get rid of their guns, IMO, would never have been a problem anyway. So nobody is safer. But some people will feel safer.
On the other hand, I don't see any news shows showing the other side of the equation. Stories where merely showing it caused a robber or attacker to flee, etc.
Being a gun owner/shooter/enthusiast, it is hard not to get the feeling that we are going to get hit with some stupid laws that will, in reality, accomplish nothing as far as safety goes, but make the non-gun owning citizens 'FEEL' much safer, because something was done. Such as a ban on something. A ban just means that only criminals have that 'thing' now.  :2cents:
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #155 on: December 31, 2012 - 09:15:12 AM »
I agree with Brads post about a nation losing its moral and spiritual way, as an Aussie we have removed most of the legal guns from law abiding citizens here in Australia but the criminals have no problems getting them. When a person confronts an aggressive person with a show of similar force the criminal backs away due to their cowardly nature. The media will always try to whip up negative emotions against gun owners and the politicians will blindly follow.   :banghead:


proves your point.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/will-banning-guns-stop-homicides-stats-from-england-and-australia-show/

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #156 on: December 31, 2012 - 09:17:30 AM »


 So True!

 
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #158 on: December 31, 2012 - 09:45:13 AM »
English Citizens voice concerns.

     
England Warns America: Don't let them take your guns

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #159 on: December 31, 2012 - 11:15:40 AM »
Guns are manufactured to kill things. There is no need for anybody to own one unless they want to kill something.

This may be a true statement at its heart. However, lets change the object to something else, like fire. Fire's sole purpose if to charr and burn. There is no need for anyone to own fire unless you want to burn something. Fire has been used as a method of torture and warfare for centuries before the advent of gunpowder, much less firearms. Why don't we do more to regulate and control the use of fire. In my own neighborhood, uncontrolled fire has caused millions of dollars in damage, left hundreds homeless, and scorched the earth and ruined the environment for my children and their children. It is an evil object that will require decades of work to erase.


That's what I mean...If the bad guy has a gun, then you want to have a bigger gun....making you no better then he is...

The invention of the "gun" is probably single worst invention known to mankind.

If you can list one positive thing that has come out of the invention of the "gun" please post them....
( I mean gun in gereral with all types of weapons)

I wouldn't say that I need to have a bigger gun. In many cases, the simple presence of a gun, even a smaller gun, tends to convince aggressive, criminal intent minds to vacate their threat.

As far as a bad invention, see the fire reference previous. Why do you need fire unless it is to burn? The flaw in that reasoning is that the reasonable use of fire has demonstrated many benefits such as warm shelters, cooked food, and a host of other benefits from reasonable usage. Firearms are the same. They have been used to defend loved ones against malicious minded persons, to put food on the table, as entertainment in shooting sports, even to secure the liberty for you to complain about their presence. The gun, as an item, is no more or less evil than an Ouji board.

Some positive things that have come from private gun ownership... well, lets look at the event that has spawned this topic, mass shootings. There are any number of invetigations into mass shooters that have shown that in incidents where police response to the shooter was the sole method of response that the death toll averages 14 persons per incident. A big part of the reason for this is because police typically cannot get to the scene for 5 minutes or more, and that is if the jurisdiction has an excellent repsonse record. In many cases, it is even longer. In similar circumstances where an armed citizen was available to immedialty confront the shooter, the death toll averages 2.5.  If you are person number 3 in that scenario, are you willing to wait for police response and hope they get there in time, or would you prefer that someone ahead of you has a concealed carry permit and was willing to meet force with force?

Mutually assured destruction worked as a global detterent to nuclear war for the better half of the last century. Think of firearm ownership in a similar vein, only on a much more personal level.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2012 - 01:26:58 PM »
I think its crazy but predictable we are talking about banning guns of all kinds, and/or putting police in every school, when, on average, less than one child per year is killed in schools by this type of shooting. Its not like we have an epidemic on our hands.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #161 on: December 31, 2012 - 01:35:47 PM »
It is nothin but a media frenzy stirred up by those who seek to rid us of our rights! The power hungry don't like resistance to thier world view. They have no power to strip you of your rights unless they ammend the Constitution or we offer no resistance. Too bad they never explain what thier World Vision is or how they hope to achieve it. I assume most would not agree with it or it would not be so sneaky like a slithering serpent in the grass. This kind of thinking takes a Giant Dump on the graves of those who bled to defend our freedoms.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #163 on: December 31, 2012 - 02:47:06 PM »
Booze, and what about drugs in general?
The illegal drug trade is probably responsible for at least 10,000 deaths per year in this country, from guns, knives...you name it, not to mention overdoses. And if illegal trade in drugs can cause that many deaths, imagine how many more will be violently killed if all guns are made illegal. Thugs and criminal enterprises of all kinds will be warring over the new turf, and thousands more will be killed each year, and who knows how many more prisons will have to be built to handle everyone involved.
I would also love to see how these idiots in washington would like it if they no longer were allowed armed protection. And imagine all the hollywood types, and michael moores of the world with bodyguards that cant carry anymore. Only the wackos would have them, and it would be open season, and they know it.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #164 on: December 31, 2012 - 02:52:09 PM »
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