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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2012 - 09:55:08 AM »
but bUT BUT!! IT LOOOKS SOOOoooo Scary!!!! Not to mention alot of these reporters do not realize that the bolt carrier on say a AR-15 is machined so that in fact the weapon cannot be converted to full auto. But But  :faint:




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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2012 - 01:35:22 PM »
Just curious, but why is it okay to regulate a woman's body, or who you can marry, but not regulate how many bullets a clip can have?  :clueless:
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2012 - 03:14:39 PM »
Just curious, but why is it okay to regulate a woman's body, or who you can marry, but not regulate how many bullets a clip can have?  :clueless:

I think a certain amount of regulation is okay.  However, once they have the hooks in, there's no stopping the regulators.

I personally would like to see some discussion about reducing violent video games and movies.  These have desensitized a generation.  That's as big a part of this whole story as anything. 
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2012 - 04:22:10 PM »
Just curious, but why is it okay to regulate a woman's body, or who you can marry, but not regulate how many bullets a clip can have?  :clueless:
I would say it's not a womans body that's regulated but the Innocent child's life.... Ironic huh? how many millions of kids have been murdered , but that's acceptable? Sorry I have a hard time understanding that one? ( you brought it up?)
Here in Canada high capacity rifle mags have to be blocked at 5. That can be something as simple as  a pop rivit limiting the follower. Big consequenses if you get caught with one unblocked. I'm OK with that. It can easily be unblocked if the world goes to hell in a handbasket.
I agree the government doesn't have a good track record when it comes to stopping at one thing. No one will forget Ruby Ridge or Waco..... the government has  a nasty habit of showing there "true colours" from time to time. None of them can be trusted 100% , doesn't matter which party either....
Here in Canada we have had our examples of Government going too far too. OKA "crisis"
G-20, etc....
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2012 - 05:04:37 PM »
Just curious, but why is it okay to regulate a woman's body, or who you can marry, but not regulate how many bullets a clip can have?  :clueless:
I don't think it is ok to regulate a womans body. Should be up to the woman.
I don't have a problem with clip limits myself. But, would it accomplish anything? Pretty sure if a guy (or woman) is willing to use his/her gun to kill people, he won't be too concerned about breaking a clip capacity law. As Brad said, semi auto rifles in Canada are limited to 5 rounds. Semi auto handguns are limited to 10. And Canada has not had the same number of 'mass shootings' that the US has. But that doesn't mean the two are connected. There are way too many other factors involved. Social, economic, etc... I hope you (the USA) don't end up with a bunch of ridiculous laws that only make the uninformed 'feel' better. By that I mean laws passed in the name of 'doing something' but don't actually accomplish what they are intended to do - reduce the criminals ability to kill others.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2012 - 05:54:06 PM »
I think a certain amount of regulation is okay.  However, once they have the hooks in, there's no stopping the regulators.

I personally would like to see some discussion about reducing violent video games and movies.  These have desensitized a generation.  That's as big a part of this whole story as anything.

There were mass murders well before video games and I don`t think too many of them can blamed just on that.If you take away violent video games then you need to look at everything from real war documentories to zombie movies.If you don`t want gun regulation than we shouldn`t have censorship either b/c it`s still the person that is not mentally stable to begin with.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2012 - 07:57:12 PM »
After reading the full thread again I have to just add a few things.


Gun registration is wrong.  The government has no right to know what guns I have and how many I hold.   None what so ever !!!


Limited clip regulations is ridiculous.  I can change clips pretty quick on an AK.  Enough to do as much damage as a full capacity clip.
There is nothing like going to the woods and blowing off drum's worth of bullets. 
It's an absolutely great experience and every person that has ever done this in front of me has had a huge smile when done.  Problem with that?

We are definitely over taxed.  Plain and simple.

Piss test those welfare pullers. 
I work my ass off every day of the year.  I pay for tons of those welfare recipients comforts.
Self employed and still pay for those bums. 
When I break myself and go under because I can't work I won't have anyone to take care of me.  Why should they?
Work hard or die trying. 
Make bad decisions and live like a bum.  Not a king on my tax's.

I honestly believe it to be terribly illegal for the government to take automatic weapons out of our hands.
Our forefathers died, Thousands and thousands of them, with those automatic guns.
Those guns are our fathers and grand fathers legacy. 
Wars and nations have been built upon those automatics.
Acts of Tyranny in my opinion.

Again, Gun registration is just wrong.  Gun checks are great when purchasing.  But registration?
I promote every American citizen to go out and purchase a gun from their buddy John, not Joe Dealer.
Dealer's make money on guns and have agenda's.  Friends have good will in their hearts and don't put you on government lists and database's. 

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2012 - 07:59:48 PM »
Contractors....   :swear:  With all due respect to Mopar owning contractors on this site.....   :bigsmile:

Always seem to have too many balls in the air or something.  Seemed like mine would show up for a few hours then move on to the next job. 

You'll have to post some pictures of the progress, Jeff.   :bananasmi:


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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2012 - 08:08:52 PM »
There were mass murders well before video games and I don`t think too many of them can blamed just on that.If you take away violent video games then you need to look at everything from real war documentories to zombie movies.If you don`t want gun regulation than we shouldn`t have censorship either b/c it`s still the person that is not mentally stable to begin with.

That's true.  There were still mass murders well before today's gratuitous entertainment violence.  I think with today's 24 hours news cycle, once something happens, it's played over and over again for weeks on end.  So not only are individuals desensitized by entertainment, they are encouraged to "go big" for the publicity and notoriety that comes with the act in the news media.

There seems to be a certain demographic associated with the mass murderers.  On the other hand, there's a whole other situation boiling in the inner city gang shootings that probably cause similar numbers of casualties per year, just one victim at a time.  It's most likely that these are committed by unregistered guns, and no amount of gun control is going to fix that problem.

My point is that you shouldn't have gun control _without_ censorship.  I'm not in favor of either, but let's be fair, and attack both sides of the equation.  I would be in favor of having a background check to get a gun, as thorough as I must go through to go to work each day.  Make them periodic, just like my employer, to make sure you or I haven't taken a stroll down loony lane.  I don't have anything to hide.  And if the prospective gun owner does have something to hide, then heck, maybe they don't have the character to own a gun.  Or, they should be able to show that they've mitigated the concern.  I don't think one indiscretion in someones' past should disqualify them, but if there is a pattern, or it's recent, that should raise a flag.
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2012 - 08:13:11 PM »
  Not all contractor's have organization problems.
Come have a custom built home in the Rockie's and I'll prove it to you.
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Maybe we'll retire there if you're still building homes there in 10 or 15 years (depending on my 401K).   :eek2:
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2012 - 10:49:43 PM »
I agree with you cuda hunter. I also think that the state and federal gov's and our own community leadership have failed. They are supposed to not infringe on all able bodied men's ,( Militia definition back then ) right to own weapons for defense of the nation  , ( both foreign and domestic ) and have failed to make sure we are a well oiled machine prepared for that defense, ( that is what regulated meant back then when they wrote it ) I feel politics has done more to divide the Nation against itself and is working counter to the origional intent. That is not just the governments fault states should encourage great leaders in the community to organize that defense. Would not cost them a penny as you are required to bring your own supplies and provisions and form your own training plans. National guard is a paid part of the government that can be federalized and deployed overseas and does not represent all able bodied men the militia.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2012 - 12:00:58 AM »
I personally cannot STAND that argument of "its my body!" or "you cant regulate my body!"
when its not YOUR body that I am concerned about. You can do whatever you want with your body, but do NOT KILL the innocent life you are carrying. Many including myself consider it murder.
As for the marriage thing. I feel why just erase many thousands of years of history and established tradition, because some minority 3% of the population thinks its unfair. And just because technology now enables for the first time in history a same sex couple to have a turkey baster child from some donor they will never know, doesnt make it a proper family. Nature and evolution have molded us to what we are today for a very good reason, and now we wish to just ignore those laws of nature?
We are playing God, and destroying the nuclear family, and trifling with well established norms of family and community ethics and morals, polluting the minds of our youth with massive amounts of violence through TV, video games and music and we wonder why some of our children might do horrid things?
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2012 - 12:10:14 AM »
The hour of temptation is not spared for many, I suspect legalization of prostitution will be next on the list.  :2cents:

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2012 - 03:49:42 AM »
I personally would like to see some discussion about reducing violent video games and movies.  These have desensitized a generation.  That's as big a part of this whole story as anything. 

That's a train of thought I can never get on board with.

I grew up watching Sho Kosugi slice people open and throwing ninja stars in dudes eyes; Bruce Lee kicking the living crap out of everyone in sight; and Rambo killing Cops, the North Vietnamese, and Russians.

The best video games were about kicking arse. Shinobi, Double Dragon, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat.

Not once have I ever had the urge to act violent towards another human being, or even an animal (except spiders).

Why? Because form the second I was born, my parents taught me right form wrong. Granted, not all acts of violence are about upbringing. Some people truly are wired wrong. Nothing can or could have helped them. That's just a sad fact of the biology that makes every human unique. Sometimes a screw will be loose, and no-one will ever know until it's too late. However, for the rest, parents failing their responsibilities is a massive part of it.

There's no more discipline. No more consequence. Personal responsibility & accountability have left the building. Parents (I use that term very loosely), expect schools and Govt. to do everything for them. Kids are failing a class? "It's the school's fault." "It's the teachers fault." "Why doesn't the Government do something about it?"


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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #89 on: December 23, 2012 - 06:24:00 AM »
That's a train of thought I can never get on board with.

I grew up watching Sho Kosugi slice people open and throwing ninja stars in dudes eyes; Bruce Lee kicking the living crap out of everyone in sight; and Rambo killing Cops, the North Vietnamese, and Russians.

The best video games were about kicking arse. Shinobi, Double Dragon, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat.

Not once have I ever had the urge to act violent towards another human being, or even an animal (except spiders).

Why? Because form the second I was born, my parents taught me right form wrong. Granted, not all acts of violence are about upbringing. Some people truly are wired wrong. Nothing can or could have helped them. That's just a sad fact of the biology that makes every human unique. Sometimes a screw will be loose, and no-one will ever know until it's too late. However, for the rest, parents failing their responsibilities is a massive part of it.

There's no more discipline. No more consequence. Personal responsibility & accountability have left the building. Parents (I use that term very loosely), expect schools and Govt. to do everything for them. Kids are failing a class? "It's the school's fault." "It's the teachers fault." "Why doesn't the Government do something about it?"


I agree with you for most part, but On the violent games....  In my son`s class at school I could definately detect kids who played violent games on young age. Their way of playing and interaction with other kids was definately different.
A huge problem imo is the fact many parents are both working full time in order to be able to pay for all goodies in life.  2-3-4 cars, big house ,all kinds of electronic media related gadgets. Those are all things that just weren`t around before.  Whatever happened to having a parent present when kids come home after school...? I think stuff like that is the key.
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