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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #105 on: December 24, 2012 - 05:11:10 AM »
Check it out more closely. I posted those numbers on Dec 19, 7:51.  The link you've posted shows an update stamp of Dec 20, 22:19. Looks like someone has manipulated the data in the meantime. When I posted those numbers, the US was actually down at 8.2.

Of course, that wouldn't happen because no one would post anythig that isn't true on the internet, right?  :bigsmile:

Wikipedia is one of the worst offenders for scrubbing and manipulating data to favor liberals agendas have seen it many times. They scrub it often not a reliable source.  :2cents:




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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #106 on: December 24, 2012 - 06:15:31 AM »
ummmm    "choking your chicken"  has a totally different meaning around here! :-[ :roflsmiley:


I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :bigsmile:
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #107 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:26:56 AM »
Various random points:

-The Militia Acts under George Washington forced men to buy firearms from private companies if they were called upon for the militia and did not have them. They were also registered with the government. There were some opt out loopholes, kinda like the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare).

-The Calackmas situation may very well have been shortened by the CCW guy, and that's great. It seems like it may have worked.

-The Tucson AZ situation had a CCW holder on site and he was not able to help. What helped? Jared Lee Loughner finally had to reload and was tackled. In that situation, the extended mags meant more people died before he could be stopped. Period. PERIOD.

-I trust well trained and responsible CCW holders who have gone through a strict screening and/or training process. I'd be scared of just any yahoo applying for a slip of paper and being granted CCW. There are a lot of dopes out there looking to play hero. See George Zimmerman.

-At Columbine, they had police stationed on campus. He was offsite when the shootings started, but he arrived quickly and exchanged fire with one of the gunmen. He had a negligible impact on the carnage that day.

-They had armed security at Virginia Tech too. A lot of good that did them. What use is armed security if a lock and chain can keep them from saving you?

-At Sandy Hook, it's been implied that the sirens of approaching officers caused Lanza to stop the shooting and off himself.

-I'm not against police at every school, but given the cost to effectiveness ratio, it may not be the most effective use of manpower or money. There are probably a dozen more effective ways of saving lives with those extra officers and cash than having them patrol schools where, statistically speaking, your kids are just about as safe as can be.

-It's often mistaken that fully automatic weapons are outlawed. It's not true. You can legally purchase fully automatic weapons if you go through a rigorous registration process and are willing to fork out the cash for very rare weapons. Most states still allow this. Funny thing though, fully automatic weapons make up a tiny percentage of gun crime. Only two instances to my knowledge involve legal Class III gun owners committing crimes with them. I guess government regulation can work wonders, right?

-The whole "assault weapon" discussion is unnecessary. Magazine capacity matters more than whether or not the weapon is a pistol or a rifle with bayonet lugs and such.

-Sensible gun regulation is coming. Deal with it. You'll still have your toys, but it will be made somewhat more difficult for people to get weapons on a whim. It will probably involve better regulation of gun show sales and private sales, too. It's been a long time coming and it will happen. Thank f**k, too.

-We need to revamp how we deal with and track mental health problems in this country. It won't solve everything, but we can do a lot better than we are now.

-The NRA's response of an officer at every school is a laughable solution to our widespread gun violence problems. It would not have stopped the Aurora shooting where officers responded within 90 seconds and that jackass had already shot 70(?) people. I understand that the NRA is essentially just a lobbying group, so I don't really expect any common sense answers from the likes of them.

-Pretending that our gun laws are all we can do and still be in compliance with the 2nd Amendment is laughable. Pretending that more regulation couldn't help stem the tide of violence isn't laughable, it's a sad defeatist attitude. Luckily that attitude is fading.


Let's hope some sane common sense solutions come up out of this. We can't afford to sit back and shrug our shoulders any longer.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #108 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:35:13 AM »
I disagree with most of what you posted and am not willing to give up liberty for a false sense of security. I will not give up my arms or my magazines to make liberals feel safer. Rifle crime is extremely low most gun crime is handguns and happen in Liberal cities like Chicago and LA by gangbangers and lawless punks. The politicians have no legal ground to stop gun sales or regulate small arms with knee jerk legislation will eventually be proved unconstitutuional as in 99% of the case.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #109 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:48:36 AM »
Keep in mind that Cops in schools was the Democrats idea:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/21/Flashback-Clinton-Cops-in-Schools
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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #110 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:50:07 AM »
I disagree with most of what you posted and am not willing to give up liberty for a false sense of security. I will not give up my arms or my magazines to make liberals feel safer. Rifle crime is extremely low most gun crime is handguns and happen in Liberal cities like Chicago and LA by gangbangers and lawless punks. The politicians have no legal ground to stop gun sales or regulate small arms with knee jerk legislation will eventually be proved unconstitutuional as in 99% of the case.

Is not gonna help politicins re-election chances to push this legislation either as gun ownership is not a lib, cons, ind, only right.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #111 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:51:48 AM »
I disagree with most of what you posted and am not willing to give up liberty for a false sense of security. I will not give up my arms or my magazines to make liberals feel safer. Rifle crime is extremely low most gun crime is handguns and happen in Liberal cities like Chicago and LA by gangbangers and lawless punks. The politicians have no legal ground to stop gun sales or regulate small arms with knee jerk legislation will eventually be proved unconstitutuional as in 99% of the case.
The most violent region of the US is the south.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #112 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:53:33 AM »
Point being!

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:55:27 AM »
Guns are manufactured to kill things. There is no need for anybody to own one unless they want to kill something.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #114 on: December 24, 2012 - 09:59:39 AM »
Also, the politicians do have the right to regulate small arms. That's the first half of the 2nd Amendment. :)

They've been regulating since our inception and will continue to. It's going to happen, it will do some good, and the sky won't fall.

Blame it on the liberals all you want, Regan supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban. GHW Bush also disassociated himself with the NRA after Wayne LaPierre referred to the government as jackbooted thugs. There are sensible conservative ways to have realistic gun control. Ideological intransigence isn't going to fix anything.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #115 on: December 24, 2012 - 10:00:08 AM »
That's right , I want to kill that burglar, terrorist, criminal. If I wanted to shower him in bubbles I would buy a bubble maker.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #116 on: December 24, 2012 - 10:01:43 AM »
Wrong! regulate had a different meaning back then. Able bodied men of the Militia were commonly known as regulators.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #117 on: December 24, 2012 - 10:13:53 AM »
Plus back then when the Politicians told the citizenry to arm up and be ready to defend the Country they did willingly. They did not sit on the couch watching Honey Boo Boo hopeing someone else would defend them.

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #118 on: December 24, 2012 - 10:17:50 AM »
That's right , I want to kill that burglar, terrorist, criminal. If I wanted to shower him in bubbles I would buy a bubble maker.

That's what I mean...If the bad guy has a gun, then you want to have a bigger gun....making you no better then he is...

The invention of the "gun" is probably single worst invention known to mankind.

If you can list one positive thing that has come out of the invention of the "gun" please post them....
( I mean gun in gereral with all types of weapons)

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Re: How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?
« Reply #119 on: December 24, 2012 - 10:21:26 AM »
Perhaps we should go back to a more civilized form of wafare like hacking off limbs, heads , and spilling your attackers intestines onto the floor like that. Or maybe we can just have 5000 cameras installed in everyhome and pay a guv stoog to watch you all day and make sure your not doing anything against the law that kind of liberty.