How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?

[willhaven]

Wrong! regulate had a different meaning back then. Able bodied men of the Militia were commonly known as regulators.

They often tracked who had arms and what they had. They do that with Class III arms now. There is precedent for it and they should do it again.

A few more hurdles won't hurt your average person, but it may give a criminal pause. It's one of the reasons you rarely see Class III weapons used in crime.

I also forgot to add to my initial random list:
-On the very DAY of the Sandy Hook massacre, there was another attempted massacre in China of school children. He did not have access to a firearm, so he used a knife. The 22 children he attacked all survived. It's often mentioned that "you could easily do this with a knife or a bomb" and to some extent that's true. Gun regulation won't stop people from trying, it will just make it a lot harder for them to be successful.

[GranCuda1970]

I doubt a determined criminal , terrorist , drug runner, or whacko would bat a eye at any law on the books. They will just set-up a black Market and bring in more dangerous types of weapons.

[GranCuda1970]

Looks at the guns sales today , I mean if the Government was able to really protect the citizens w/o being a major pain in there daily lives we would not have the DEMAND we have today!!

[GranCuda1970]

I am not looking for big Daddy Gov to save me!! I mean they cannot even balance a budget, or create one for that matter gonna be 5yrs now,

[jimynick]

"If you can list one positive thing that has come out of the invention of the "gun" please post them....
( I mean gun in gereral with all types of weapons)"   It's these type of comments that give one pause to wonder. The obvious answers would be- the ability to kill game to feed your family in an easier fashion than using a bow and arrow. The suicide of Adolf Hitler. The protection of your liberty and ability to make such statements by the millions of combatants who died or were wounded. The elimination of Bin Laden- need one go on? A gun is a very handy tool and the sad fact that some choose to misuse it, does not make that go away. Now, if you're TRULY outraged at loss of life on a grand scale, perhaps you'd best sell your car- 'cause THAT'S the #1 killer out there and you don't hear a damn peep about limiting the horsepower on those- do you? No easy answer here or better minds than ours would have come up with them. 

[Gumby]

Various random points:

-The Militia Acts under George Washington forced men to buy firearms from private companies if they were called upon for the militia and did not have them. They were also registered with the government. There were some opt out loopholes, kinda like the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare).

-The Calackmas situation may very well have been shortened by the CCW guy, and that's great. It seems like it may have worked.

-The Tucson AZ situation had a CCW holder on site and he was not able to help. What helped? Jared Lee Loughner finally had to reload and was tackled. In that situation, the extended mags meant more people died before he could be stopped. Period. PERIOD.

-I trust well trained and responsible CCW holders who have gone through a strict screening and/or training process. I'd be scared of just any yahoo applying for a slip of paper and being granted CCW. There are a lot of dopes out there looking to play hero. See George Zimmerman.

-At Columbine, they had police stationed on campus. He was offsite when the shootings started, but he arrived quickly and exchanged fire with one of the gunmen. He had a negligible impact on the carnage that day.

-They had armed security at Virginia Tech too. A lot of good that did them. What use is armed security if a lock and chain can keep them from saving you?

-At Sandy Hook, it's been implied that the sirens of approaching officers caused Lanza to stop the shooting and off himself.

-I'm not against police at every school, but given the cost to effectiveness ratio, it may not be the most effective use of manpower or money. There are probably a dozen more effective ways of saving lives with those extra officers and cash than having them patrol schools where, statistically speaking, your kids are just about as safe as can be.

-It's often mistaken that fully automatic weapons are outlawed. It's not true. You can legally purchase fully automatic weapons if you go through a rigorous registration process and are willing to fork out the cash for very rare weapons. Most states still allow this. Funny thing though, fully automatic weapons make up a tiny percentage of gun crime. Only two instances to my knowledge involve legal Class III gun owners committing crimes with them. I guess government regulation can work wonders, right?

-The whole "assault weapon" discussion is unnecessary. Magazine capacity matters more than whether or not the weapon is a pistol or a rifle with bayonet lugs and such.

-Sensible gun regulation is coming. Deal with it. You'll still have your toys, but it will be made somewhat more difficult for people to get weapons on a whim. It will probably involve better regulation of gun show sales and private sales, too. It's been a long time coming and it will happen. Thank f**k, too.

-We need to revamp how we deal with and track mental health problems in this country. It won't solve everything, but we can do a lot better than we are now.

-The NRA's response of an officer at every school is a laughable solution to our widespread gun violence problems. It would not have stopped the Aurora shooting where officers responded within 90 seconds and that jackass had already shot 70(?) people. I understand that the NRA is essentially just a lobbying group, so I don't really expect any common sense answers from the likes of them.

-Pretending that our gun laws are all we can do and still be in compliance with the 2nd Amendment is laughable. Pretending that more regulation couldn't help stem the tide of violence isn't laughable, it's a sad defeatist attitude. Luckily that attitude is fading.


Let's hope some sane common sense solutions come up out of this. We can't afford to sit back and shrug our shoulders any longer.

You , didn't you see that only 3 hundred some people were killed in one entire YEAR by rifles? and 1,700 were killed by knives? What am I missing here? NOT MUCH. YOU are missing the big picture. We need to ban assault knives. Wake up.

[Gumby]

 You know what ticks me off? More than some nut jiob killing some kids? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT killing kids at WACO. I was down there when it happened. Yeah. Janet Reno, Clinton. Federal troops attacking citizens on U.S. soil. You wanna know what ticks me off? National Guard taking guns away from peaceful citizens in Katrina,  You wanna know what ticks me off more than all those kids killed in CT? Google Terry Yeakey.

[Gumby]

Your government is not your friend. Haven't you been watching the news the last few years? Terry Yeakey. Google him.

[brads70]

Your government is not your friend. Haven't you been watching the news the last few years? Terry Yeakey. Google him.

http://www.riflewarrior.com/who_killed_terry_yeakey.htm

   Wow I have never heard this before?

[GranCuda1970]

You , didn't you see that only 3 hundred some people were killed in one entire YEAR by rifles? and 1,700 were killed by knives? What am I missing here? NOT MUCH. YOU are missing the big picture. We need to ban assault knives. Wake up.

Forrest through the trees  but,..but,..But black plastic make them so aggressive 

[GranCuda1970]

Better not talk about it too much or another mental case with a rifle will further the liberal agenda. 

[72rtchallenger]

I have read this thread and stayed away , alot have valid points for there reasons for there convictions but  doesn't make you right or wrong  just your beliefs which we all have that right  , for now anyways , a few point fingers like someone said there's more violence in the south well were all south of somewhere and headed to hell but It doesn't matter were your from .



My beliefs

should guns be registered or controlled ? doesn't matter u could build a gun these days doesn't even need to be metal
should guns have less rounds ? no again doesn't matter
should teachers have guns ? yes if nothing else for there own protection
should you need a concealed weapons permit ? yes
should you go to jail when you misuse a gun ? yes . sentenced depends
should you go to jail if you have say an AK FULLY AUTOMATIC in your possession that functions  ? yes unless your military
should there be a death penalty ? moral an unsure but probably so
should you have a gun ? yes you dam well better like it or not
should the government control this ? no, will they maybe
should movies an video games be regulated ? debatable , me if all a kid looks at  is media then there  might be a problem to some degree
should we go to church ? yes an I should more often
should we all pray ? yes I am for all of us ,
should I push my beliefs on you ? no but doesn't hurt to tell people  sometimes

The gun really doesn't matter its  because no one knows what we will face in this walk thru life ,what does  is life after this mortal life , again my belief ,wished more had my belief  as there would be less violence . Of course again just me

 

[GranCuda1970]

Well all this is not stopping Diane FrankenFeinstein from trying to start a National Gun registry to include Granfathered arms. What a Communist Ghoul.
They really want to see how far they can push US citizens and the Constitution. Hey FrankenBitty why dont you try it by ammendmant? I seriously doubt you Commie arse can garner 3/4 support from the states.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons   

[GranCuda1970]

Dingbats like her prove How forward looking the Founders were in Granting us the Right to protect ourselves from tyrants in office. Even though I do not feel she will get much support other than the usual Communist ilk from the Progressive causcus. Her parlour tricks should be enough warning for citizens with a Basic understanding of the Constitution and it's History. 80yrs old and still Marchin for Lenin.

[dodj]

Guns are manufactured to kill things. There is no need for anybody to own one unless they want to kill something.

They are manufactured to shoot. Target shooting and shooting sports are their maiin use. Very safe hobby. If people want to legislate based on what you 'need'.  a lot of hobbies will be eliminated. Afterall you only need food shelter and oxygen.
I'm willing to bet you own a lot of things you don't need but can be dangerous if misused.

Hopefully something will be done that can actually reduce/eliminate the gun violence in the world but passing more laws to make something that is already illegal 'more illegal' IMO will accomplish nothing.