How many people are still alive because he had a concealed weapon?

[GranCuda1970]

Yep it is a touchy subject! I have the Freedom to pull my Bushmaster from my gun safe and plink a 1000 rnds or two whenever I want.   Not about to let the Old Crusty in WA take that away from me! I have no desire to live like Many Countries populaces ,..disarmed and afraid of Politicians from government or worse the eventual dictator.

[TinCuda]

OK, I have to admit that I came to this thread party a little late.  I also have to disclose that I got to about page 6 of this thread before I quit reading and jumped ahead with my comment.  I am sorry if I am repeating some thing that someone else has already said but I just could not keep reading all the same old arguments over and over again.

Let me make it simple.  There is no easy answer and these are "rules of thumb" that I believe in.

You cannot raise the poor by taxing the rich.  This only discourages people to strive to do well.  You can't help the poor by giving them welfare.  It is like feeding wild animals.  They will never learn how to hunt their own food.  You must teach them self reliance.

The government does not know what is good for me more than I know what is good for me.  I am a fully functioning grown adult in what is sopposed to be a free country. 

Write laws that protect me from you, not laws that protect me from me.  Don't rob me or kill me, good rules.  On the other hand, I would never ride my motorcycle without a helmet, but I don't think the government should decide that for me.  The government's job is not to protect you from yourself.  When it starts doing that, it's a problem.

I do not believe in abortion.  I also do not believe our government has the right to dictate morality or restict a woman from having an abortion.

Thirty round magazines for rifles?  I like them.  I like hundred round magazines.  I should be able to own them.  Why should I be able to own them?  I like them.  They make me happy.  I shouldn't have to explain to you why they make me happy.  They just do.  Free country, right?  Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?  Anyone ever heard those words before?  If I violate one of the rules about protecting you from me, I should have to pay the consequenses.

Listen to me very closely on this one because this is important.  If you are willing to trade your rights and freedoms for your own safety and security, you are in the wrong country.  There are lots of countries on this planet that think that way, move there.

We have given up way too much already.  We have paid too much for what we have already lost!

If you don't agree with me, I am fine with that.  My problem is with people and government that pass laws to make me conform with what they believe.  I would never "require" you to do as I do.

This nation will fail to the roaring thunder of applause. 

END OF RANT

[spamtank]

All good points.  And I agree.  I'm very concerned with the government we elected.  They don't represent my beliefs.  But apparently they represent the majority of voters which scares the hell out of me.

[HP2]

All good points.  And I agree.  I'm very concerned with the government we elected.  They don't represent my beliefs.  But apparently they represent the majority of voters which scares the hell out of me.

I would question if they really do represent the majority or if they were simply the lesser of several bad chocies or simply a choice to offset other bad choices.

I'd venture to say most of the US is fairly moderate. IMO, Dems should be more liberal, the GOP should be more conservative, and we should have a huge and active moderate party that runs the show. We can lean left or right on occasion, but I really don't believe the country is as polarized as our representatives are.

[dodj]

IMO, Dems should be more liberal, the GOP should be more conservative, and we should have a huge and active moderate party that runs the show. We can lean left or right on occasion, but I really don't believe the country is as polarized as our representatives are.

We sort of have that arrangement up here in Canada. The conservatives on the right, New Democrats on the Left, Liberals in the middle. At least that is how they are supposed to line up. But in reality, the Conservatives are in the middle, the Liberals are left, and the New Democrats are REALLY left.
Don't give up anything if you can avoid it. We have had handgun registration up here since 1931. Never heard of it ever helping the police catch anybody, or stop anybody yet. 
Uses up a ton of taxpayer dollars though.

[TinCuda]

There where a couple of posts about full auto machine guns.  I am not going to go back and find them just so I can quote the original author.  I am also not going to debate if you should own a machine gun.  I just find that there are a lot of misconceptions about full auto firearms.

Here is the straight skinny on legal machine gun ownership...

Before 1934, you could freely buy, sell, and own full auto machine guns.  You could go down to your local Sears and buy a Thompson sub-machine gun over the counter with no questions asked.

After 1934, you could still freely buy, sell, and own full auto machine guns, but you had to register them and pay a $200 "transfer tax" anytime the firearm changed ownership.  The registration paperwork would also have to be updated to reflect the new owner.  If you owned a full auto firearm before 1934, it too would have to be registered.

In 1986, the government banned the manufacture of all full auto firearms made for anyone other than military and law enforcement.

Machine guns made before 1986 where grandfathered in and as long as they stay registered, they may still be bought, sold, and owned by anyone who would be qualified to own any other firearm.  i.e. not a felon, not wanted by the law, not deemed insane, etc,.  Because there where no more machine guns made for civilians after 1986, guns made before 1986 have become rare and very valuable.  A pre-1986 AR-15 can run you well into 5 figures.

Laws are different from state to state but for the most part, machine gun ownership is still legal. It is however usually cost prohibitive.

This is a bit over simplified, but I think I hit the high points.



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[GranCuda1970]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/my-wife-is-a-hero-georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-five-times-after-being-cornered/

[72cudamaan]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/my-wife-is-a-hero-georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-five-times-after-being-cornered/

Wow. you almost made it a full day without posting on this subject.

[GranCuda1970]

Yeah! she is a hero but now her hubby needs to get her a glock 10mm so she does not run out of bullets before the criminal runs out of life.

[spamtank]

Yeah! she is a hero but now her hubby needs to get her a glock 10mm so she does not run out of bullets before the criminal runs out of life.

Yea, now she's gonna be drug through the court system when the intruder sues her for use of excessive force.

[GranCuda1970]

easy defense, A police officer shoots until the threat is gone. She continued to shoot because he was still moving and talking so still a threat to her family.

[GranCuda1970]

Yea, now she's gonna be drug through the court system when the intruder sues her for use of excessive force.

Obviously this whacko who should have never got out of jail anyway with so many prior arrests for violence crimes. We do not know why he pursued her into the attic and what the motives of a violent criminal pursuing a mother and her children into the attic were hey may have kept coming until he dropped at that time she realized she was out of bullets. She was propbably freaking out and scared for her life and the lives of her children.

What is really sad is at the bottom of the article there is another story similar from savannah news were a woman was unarmed and she was the one hospitalized with multiple gunshot wounds.