Project 'Cuda

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Offline mrbill426

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Project 'Cuda
« on: March 10, 2005 - 04:14:40 PM »
We're baaaack.... and it's underway! 

We pulled the engine and tranny last night and didn't even scratch the "nose" 8)

With the engine bay empty we see the rusty frame rails, especially the left side apparently due to battery leakage.  :o  No holes, just rust coated.  The left inner fender has a rust hole under the battery tray.  Both inners have rust through on top where it appears a fender brace is spot welded underneath, and also at a spot right in front of both hood hinges.  Other that they are fine.  We're not sure if we should just cut and patch or try to find replacement inner fenders, if they are even made.  Is it a hassle to replace them?

As far as we know, the body has three paint jobs on it.  It has tiny "bubbles" all over, particularly on the horizontal surfaces.  I cannot "pop" them or push them in with my finger nail, but something is going on under the paint.  I suppose the whole car should be stripped, what is the best economical( and easiest) way?  I've been told that sand or bead blasting is the way to go?

The engine is almost all apart, we found some hard black (curved) plastic "parts" under the valve covers, I'm thinking maybe hardened and broken valve seals?  The heads look okay, but the chambers are all blackened and the exhaust valves are a brick red, strange?  They are the "J" '915 heads with 1.88" intakes... rats!  :'(

The rocker arms a stamped with H2 RT & H2 LT, the springs are "red" with damper springs.  Not sure if these heads have ever had a valve job, but they will now.  It appears that the crank is forged, only because the damper has no offset weight nor does it have any words on it that say "use with cast crank only".  Is that a safe bet?

I know I am addressing different subjects here, but someone mentioned earlier that it would be alright to discuss this project on one thread, to keep everybody "informed".  If not, slap me and set me straight.  ;D

This will be primarily a street car, but we do intend to do some bracket racing with it too.  We would LIKE to be able to get it into the 12s right out of the shoot, but if you think we're dreaming let us know straight up.  We however DON'T want to molest by gutting it, installing wheel tubs, roll cages and all that stuff.  Again, are we out of line here?

Tami & Bill


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'72 'Cuda 340, white on white
'72 Sebring; bracket project
'64 Imperial Crown black on black
'66 Imperial Crown; parts car




Offline rnsykes

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2005 - 04:32:46 PM »
Well the good news is that the inner fenders are available for under $200 each.  I think stripping hte car is the only way to go.  Do it once and do it right.  Blasting is a good way to get it done, but it's not good for large flat areas as it can warp the sheet metal.  Plastic media blasting is a way to get around that, but it's a little more expensive.  plus, you'll be finding the blasting media in ever little crack for months to come.  Another alternative is chemical stripping.  There is another thread about a Car "gettin nekkid" that talked in depth about chemical stripping.  It's quick and cheap.  You could always just bear down and sand it off, but that takes patients.  Don't want to leave any deep scratches.  I really can't give any engine advice, but I don't think that 12's from a mopar are that difficult.

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2005 - 06:03:26 PM »
Glad to hear about the progress.  As for dipping into the 12's, too don't think it'd be that hard to achieve.  I'm hoping to knock off lower 12's, but I guess I won't really know until I get things rolling again and my killer 340 built.  Oh, and if you don't mind, please post some update pictures.  After all,  :worthless: :thumbs:
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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2005 - 07:50:56 PM »
The paint does have to come off, if it's thick enough you can start by getting a couple of razor blade
scrapers and a box of razor blades and go to it.

Those inner fenders sound like good canidates for patching, I hear the repos are not as strong as
originals and they are a pain in the :spank: to remove and replace

The heads sound like they would be ok but look for tiny cracks,,usually between the valves closer to
exaust valves
The plastic is probably the pieces of valve cover gasket cooked under there for eons ?

cast cranks have sharp corners on the counterweights and sharp ridges on the parting lines and appear
brown in color
Forged cranks have round corners on the counterweights, wide partings lines and appear grey

welcome back!!

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005 - 08:28:38 PM »
Street_Challenged73 asked for some pics, here are some.  Hope not too many to load...

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2005 - 09:14:54 PM »

cast cranks have sharp corners on the counterweights and sharp ridges on the parting lines and appear
brown in color
Forged cranks have round corners on the counterweights, wide partings lines and appear grey

welcome back!!


Here is two shots of the crank, there are some numbers on the front counterweight, but they are not very "clear".  Sorry about my camera's lack of quality.


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'72 Sebring; bracket project
'64 Imperial Crown black on black
'66 Imperial Crown; parts car

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005 - 09:42:00 PM »
Here's some pics of the Cast and Forged cranks, maybe it will help show what 360cuda was telling you.


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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2005 - 10:09:12 PM »
Here's some pics of the Cast and Forged cranks, maybe it will help show what 360cuda was telling you.

Ahh, okay... I looked at ours and found the parting lines, they are only visible adjacent to the 1/2 & 7/8 rod journals though.  They are about 1/2" wide so I guess it's forged.

Thanks guys  :thumbs:
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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2005 - 10:19:09 PM »
The heads....

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Offline 360 'CUDA

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005 - 10:34:48 PM »
Nice car

The hood hinge area should be a bit of a challenge but the rest looks pretty easy :patriot:

Just something about white 'CUDAs

love 'em

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005 - 05:11:59 AM »
 WOW  How did you get that Penny to stick to the side of the Inner Fender J/K, If it was mine I would do it right the First time so I would replace everything that is rotted or rusted, I would not patch it would look like Crap   Good Luck in your Restoration, and has far has Stripping I'm using what they call Aircraft Stripper, it cost above $40.00 a gallon and alot of hand work

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005 - 06:44:46 AM »
As 360 stated there`s something with white Cudas and white/white looks really nice.Gret car :thumbs:

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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005 - 09:04:01 AM »
Doesn't somone repro the hood hinge mounting area too? 

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005 - 09:57:59 AM »
I have not removed the hinges yet, for all we know the whole area may be rusted through  :cry:
Perhaps there is a brace of some sort spot welded behind that location too, like there is in the wheel wells where you can see it is rusted through. Sigh...
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'72 Sebring; bracket project
'64 Imperial Crown black on black
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Re: Project 'Cuda
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2005 - 01:30:08 PM »
Yep, Year One sells a repo repair panel for the hinge mounting area. Quality, I can't
say. Just saw it in their catalog. Also have the whole inner fender panel too.  Jeff
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