Seat replacement advice requested

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Offline 360FISH

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Seat replacement advice requested
« on: February 26, 2013 - 12:29:48 AM »
I want to replace my stock '73 seats (the most uncomfortable seats in the world) with some I pulled from a late 90's Avenger SE... manual but adjustable 5 ways from Sunday and then some.  The seats will get black covers to match the interior.

I've test fit them and they are great.  The seat base is wider than stock so I'd have to drill new holes to support the seat.  I'm hearing that I risk cracking the floor (not supporting the weight correctly) in doing this.  If I do the following will I get away with it?

The outboard side of the seat would still sit on the raised side which looks solidly supported from underneath.

The inboard side would sit on a piece of square tube steel (or aluminum) to bring it to the right height.  I would put a flat bit a steel under that to spread the load a bit and a big fat washer under the car.

I don't weld so this would all be bolted.

Thoughts?


Thanks,

Alan
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013 - 01:51:49 AM »

If you plan on selling your seats, I'll buy the chrome lever pieces which allows the seat to be pushed forward so folks can get in the back seat!
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013 - 07:14:53 AM »
What about making an adapter so you can bolt it to the floor in the stock holes? I've done this on a few cars, not rocket science? Sometimes the new seat has mounts rivited to it that can come off that opens up options for both position and height?
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013 - 09:33:04 AM »
If you're bolting it to non stock locations in the floor pan you need to reinforce it.  Like really big and thick washers on the other side of the pan.  Look underneath and you'll see that's pretty much what the factory did.  If you don't then you run the risk of stress cracking the floor pan and pulling the bolts through.  Brads idea is great if you can fab up some adapters to mount in the stock location that's ideal.  If you don't weld ask around.  There's usually somebody with a small welder who can help you out.  Just remember these are seats and part of the system that keeps you in the car in the event of a crash.
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013 - 09:57:24 AM »
I agree mock everything up with bolts or screws and find a local welder to finish weld the brackets. Put an add on craigslist or google your location and local forums and find someone who wants to make a few bucks. I live in Sacramento area and would be happy to weld them if your close and I wouldn't want any money As I imitating it would Only be a few minute job

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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013 - 12:38:15 PM »
What about making an adapter so you can bolt it to the floor in the stock holes? I've done this on a few cars, not rocket science? Sometimes the new seat has mounts rivited to it that can come off that opens up options for both position and height?

  :iagree: This way you can take advantage of the factory reinforced areas on the floor pan.
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013 - 11:21:59 PM »
Thanks for the responses guys.   :bigshades:

okay, so I want to keep things bolted down via the existing holes.  I'd be curious to see any examples you have.

Is the problem really with bolting something to a hole that's not reinforced (and the stress on that point) or is the floor not able to handle the weight of the seat if it's sitting in a non-stock location?

Meaning, if I bolt a plate of 16 gauge steel at the existing holes (with the steel fitting the contour of the floor) and bolt the seat to that plate of steel (but not through the floor) would that disperse the weight enough to keep the floor pan from cracking?     :stirpot:
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013 - 08:04:05 AM »
This is kinda the long way around the explanation but bear with me.

The reason the factory points are best is because they are reinforced.  there are 2 pieces of metal sandwiched together which makes them stronger, like plywood.  16ga metal by itself is strong enough to keep its shape and bear the weight of a seat plus person, but when you add the dynamics of a 150-200 lb body on a seat acting as a lever then accelerate, decelerate and turn in both directions you are now adding additional stress.  Over time it would have the same effect as if you took a long screwdriver through the hole and simply hogged it out or buckled the metal.  The factory decided that multiple layers of thin metal can do the job of thicker and heavier metal in certain places like seat mount reinforcements.  Most of the time the simple steel sandwich works fine. 

As far as your idea goes, I wouldn't make a 16ga adapter from the new seats to the old holes.  Like I said earlier 16ga won't hold the lateral stress from driving.  If you used it to double up your floor pan and punch new holes that would be better since you'd have the plywood effect.  But if you want true bolt in adapters with no new holes you'd be better off using thicker metal such as angle iron or heavy plate steel since the seat bolts will be hanging in space compared to the bolts through the floor.  That creates a longer lever and more stress without support.

In the past I've put Challenger seats in a 77 Power Wagon, and I've made seat adapters for my 72 CJ.  Both times I used 1/4 inch plate or angle iron simply because I couldn't get the sandwich effect for what I was trying to do.  After testing (and driving the wheels off) the Power Wagon the 1/4 inch plate held up with minimal bending.  What you're trying to do is easily possible it just needs to be thought through and designed properly so you don't end up in the back seat when you hit the loud pedal.
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1972 Dodge Challenger convertible 440 5 speed.
1973 Dodge Challenger 318 "Brown Bomber"
2012 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic Blackberry Pearl.
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2013 - 11:29:37 PM »
Thank you for the input.  That all makes sense and I will beef up my ideas to handle more stress.

A riser inboard made of steel tube bolted to the stock holes, sitting on a thick plate bolted to the riser and the outboard stock holes...  providing a level plan for the seat to bolt onto...   :bigsmile:

I'll post something when I get it mocked up.

Enjoy!

Alan
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Re: Seat replacement advice requested
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2013 - 01:15:26 AM »
Alan,

If it helps, here's some pictures of the adapters that are used to adapter Recaro seats to the E-body floor. 

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