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After market 8 track installation
« on: March 11, 2013 - 08:26:50 AM »
Hey Guys,

I recently picked up 2 after market 8 track players that I had rebuilt and a stack of 8 tracks. I'd like to install them in the 74 Challenger for some old school looks. No need to inform me of how awful this technology is, I am well aware.

How hard is this to do? has anyoned one done it?

I am concerned because I have a modern radio in it currently and the wiring for the 8 track seem kinda crude and don't know if I can get it to work with the modern radio. The back of the old 8 track has three wires one is Power (not sure if it's switch power or constant power) then one wire that goes to the positive side of each speaker and the negative side of the speaker is apparently supposed to go to ground.

Currently with the modern radio I have 2 wires that go to each speaker, and the power is wired incorrectly so I lose my radio pre-sets every time I turn the car off. I am super mechanically inclined but wiring/ electrical is not my forte. I also do not have a wiring diagram for under the dash but I assume under the dash been butchered over the past 39 years / 5 owners.

The center mounted speaker is long gone, and 2 speakers have been mounted under the dash making everything super accessible. However I am not against removing everything that was put in and going back to the center mounted speaker if it means this instalation can be made easier/ more correct.

What do we think? Am I nuts for wating to listen to my Iron Maiden on 8 track? ..the seller also threw in a FREE Conway Twitty 8 track.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2013 - 09:48:24 AM »
YES      Back in the day radio-shack had a switch for the purpose, I checked & did not find today.  I imagine a source switch for an A/V system could be adapted.
What I would do if the radio has an auxiliary input is install a line converter on the 8-track speaker http://www.crutchfield.com/p_142LOC80/Scosche-LOC80.html & run through the radio.

Find the yellow wire on your radio & connect to the BAT (battery) terminal of the fuse box to keep your programs.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013 - 09:50:42 AM »
First off, you're not nuts, just nostalgic.  :icon16:

Second, do they have Iron Maiden on 8-track?  That I don't know...

I have a 8-track that the original owner installed.  I'm keeping it there just for looks and it does work and I will wire it so that it is operational.  Uses brackets under dash.  I scored a free box of 8-tracks on craigslist in a fake aligator case so be on the look out for stuff like that.  Cool to keep in the back seat. 

Firstly, I am no audio/electronics pro.   :grinno:
 
I have never investigated the wiring.  The possibility of just splicing the speaker wires from both units to the same speakers might cause some sort of feedback.  It very well may not though.  Give it a try and see what happens.  If there is feedback, like Bullitt mentioned, Radio Shack used to YEARS AGO, like 30 or so years, sell a switch so you can operate 2 units on one set of speakers.  I hooked one up in my dads old Lincoln Town Car for the additional cassette deck in the 80's.

As far as the 8 track wires, my first thoughts are that you only need switched power assuming there is nothing that requires a memory.  Also it prevents the issue of leaving an 8 track on and drainging the battery. You didn't mention a ground wire to the unit so I assume there is one.  Then there is the power wire to the speakers.  How many positive wires for the speakers are there?  You mentioned 3 wires. so I assume 1-power, 2-ground, 3-(1) to speaker power?

You radio needs to be hooked up to constatnt power to retain the presets.  Dig around with the key on the fuse block with a test light to see what has power and splice in there for the radio.  Try to figure out what your spling into.  Might be andy to know, like when you don't have brake lights anymore or something.

As far as the speakers go, you can either put 1 speaker, I think it's a weird size, like 4x6 or something strange so it may be hard to find or else some people put 2 smaller speakers together in that one speaker opening.  Don't know what sounds better.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013 - 01:51:55 PM »
YES      Back in the day radio-shack had a switch for the purpose, I checked & did not find today.  I imagine a source switch for an A/V system could be adapted.
What I would do if the radio has an auxiliary input is install a line converter on the 8-track speaker http://www.crutchfield.com/p_142LOC80/Scosche-LOC80.html & run through the radio.

Find the yellow wire on your radio & connect to the BAT (battery) terminal of the fuse box to keep your programs.


Thank you both Bullit and Super Blue,

BUT since I know the radio has an AUX input I like the idea of a Line Converter. Now from what I understand here I am going to take the wires from the back of the 8 track player to the switch and using an AUX cable I can wire it to the radio. Thus meaning I just need to find switch power to the 8 track.

..and switching my power on the radio to constant power....this is looking easier and easier, untill I look under my dash and see the spagetti factory of wires under there.... :eek4:
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013 - 06:56:32 PM »
I have the factory AM/8-track unit for my '70 AAR (very rare).  It has two wires to each speaker that come out of the radio/8-track unit.  Not sure about one wire to each speaker and another loose ground wire.  Anyway, I have always enjoyed 8-track, since I put my first LearJet player in my '64 Dodge.  I have lots of 8 tracks and enjoy playing them, they don't sound that bad.  I did have an AUX plug installed in my unit so I could plug in my MP3 player and play it through the unit too.  I currently have two cars with factory AM/8-track units, my AAR and a '68 GT500KR Shelby, can't beat the old school stuff, good luck.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013 - 07:06:39 PM »
Just so you know, factory units didn't have a constant power feed, because they had no memory presets or anything like that.  They did run on ACC.

You should be able to tap into the cigarette lighter.  That circuit is hot even when the key is out of the car

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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013 - 09:15:41 AM »
I have the factory AM/8-track unit for my '70 AAR (very rare).  It has two wires to each speaker that come out of the radio/8-track unit.  Not sure about one wire to each speaker and another loose ground wire.  Anyway, I have always enjoyed 8-track, since I put my first LearJet player in my '64 Dodge.  I have lots of 8 tracks and enjoy playing them, they don't sound that bad.  I did have an AUX plug installed in my unit so I could plug in my MP3 player and play it through the unit too.  I currently have two cars with factory AM/8-track units, my AAR and a '68 GT500KR Shelby, can't beat the old school stuff, good luck.

I'd take a picture but the car and radios are in storage right now, but I will double check next time i am at my parent's place. They have the honored priveledge of storing my car in the garage over the winter.

As for constant power you know I never even let that thought cross my mind, I have spent the majority of my life working on cars built after 1988... Also my cigarette lighter dosent work so that might be a problem. The radio reception in my car is pretty awful so I only get one or two stations as it stands so getting them to save is not a huge deal, i'd rather listen to 8 track or engine.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013 - 08:37:45 PM »
Thank you both Bullit and Super Blue,

BUT since I know the radio has an AUX input I like the idea of a Line Converter. Now from what I understand here I am going to take the wires from the back of the 8 track player to the switch and using an AUX cable I can wire it to the radio. Thus meaning I just need to find switch power to the 8 track.

..and switching my power on the radio to constant power....this is looking easier and easier, untill I look under my dash and see the spagetti factory of wires under there.... :eek4:
I notice in your original post that the 8-track only has one wire per speaker, just run a second wire for each from the chassis of the player to serve as grounds.   As for a switched power source look at the bottom of the fuse block. There are two openings with a male spade terminal one labeled BAT (battery) which has constant power the other ACC (accessory) which has switched power.  Both of your power issues will be solved.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013 - 10:19:58 AM »
I had the guy who rebuilt the speakers make me a diagrams since he was the eastern Ontario Certified Rebuilder for Radio Shack way back in the day.

He said one wire from the 8 track to positive side of the speaker and the left side of the speaker went to a body ground. I THINK. He wrote me a novel on how to wire this thing in. I'd post what he gave me if I could only access it right now. I might make my way to my parents over the weekend to snap some pics of the 8 track and i'd like to snap some pics to post int he "intro's" section.

My challenge now is to find an 8 track mounting bracket. There are a bunch on ebay but 5 bucks to buy and a dumptruck full of cash to ship it to canada. I am going to try and find one locally.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2013 - 02:38:33 PM »
So I am now looking at the back of the 8 track player and I definitely only have 4 wires on it and they are as listed on the wiring diagram as:

1. 12 v power in
2. Ground
3. Positive left
4. Positive right.

The question is how Do I wire that into a radio that requires positive and a negative? I also have looked at the back of the head unit and it is a mid 90's JVC unit and the only option for inputs is through a j-link like the one I found online here: http://www.extremeaudio.de/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/mig/accessories/Baseline/71010.jpg

Originally I was going to go 8 track into a  line out converter to an rca to j-link adapter. Can I still do this? and how? Opinions?
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2013 - 10:15:57 AM »
It appears you can use the J-link for other devices, I see several topics on other forums using it for i-pod input.
If you have a cable to cut up solder on some RCA male ends & plug into the line converter, here is a diagram http://www.mp3car.com/general-hardware-discussion/38842-j-link-pinout.html
If you don't adapters are available http://www.amazon.com/PIE-J-RCA-J-Link-Cable-Adapter/dp/B000A87SWK

As stated before to add a ground wire for each speaker simply attach wires to the 8-track chassis.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2013 - 10:30:18 AM »
So I am now looking at the back of the 8 track player and I definitely only have 4 wires on it and they are as listed on the wiring diagram as:

1. 12 v power in
2. Ground
3. Positive left
4. Positive right.

The question is how Do I wire that into a radio that requires positive and a negative? I also have looked at the back of the head unit and it is a mid 90's JVC unit and the only option for inputs is through a j-link like the one I found online here: http://www.extremeaudio.de/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/mig/accessories/Baseline/71010.jpg

Originally I was going to go 8 track into a  line out converter to an rca to j-link adapter. Can I still do this? and how? Opinions?


Not sure if this helps but your list 1-4 is 1-positive, 2 negative. Both of these are the power source. 3&4 are only for the pos. side of the speaker. This
is where you would add the neg. or ground to the speaker chassis. Hope this helps.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2013 - 04:18:56 PM »
Sorry I'm not sure if I am not understanding or I am not explaining correctly.

I am wiring this 8 track directly to the output converter, the coverter requires a positive and negative left and right as outputs on the 8 track I only have positive left and positive right. What do I do about the missing negative? Can the converter still work without a negative input? Or am I running a wire from the ground to the output converter?

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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2013 - 09:06:22 AM »
Add 2-wires grounded/attached to the 8-track chassis to serve as speaker ground/negative running to the line converter.
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Re: After market 8 track installation
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014 - 03:45:08 PM »
I did the same thing this summer. I picked up and new in the box 8 Track player at the local flee market. I installed it in the T/A and threw in Deep Purple Machine Head and went for a cruise. How wonderful it still sounded. I still prefer tape and vinyl records to cds any day. I still have 3 working Reel to Reels and 2 8 tracks hooked up and running almost daily in the house.
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