thx everyone, grimmey71 im not in michigan but i can see it from my house, i live just south of sarnia ont. but i buy everything i can from jon and dave at roseville by far the best guy's i have ever delt with. plus i love to come over to michigan, detroit and the surounding area is quite unique and the food is awesome. the bars and restaurants we go to for lunch or whatever have the best hamburgers,fried chicken and sandwiches (to name a few) to be found. we will usually just head over for lunch ar supper cause we are lucky enough to be that close. thx bruce