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Offline rojpon74

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Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« on: April 23, 2013 - 11:46:57 PM »
Hello All,

I have a 6139 Carter Thermoquad on my 318/A-904 combo that's in my '72 Challenger.  I've basically cloned the '72 340 fuel system setup: Carter TQ 6139 carb, stock 340 manifold, thick stock-style carb base basket, reproduction '72 model year choke thermostat, reproduction fuel pump to carb fuel lines, along with the stock throttle cable/linkage setup.  The carb bowl vent is also plumbed into the charcoal canister.  I've had this setup on my 318 for over a year and it runs great when warmed up.  However, I continually run into problems with getting it to start cold.

Here's the situation: if my Challenger sits overnight, the engine will fire right up the next morning after pumping the gas pedal 1-2 times as it sets the choke closed.  However, if it sits in the garage for more than 2 or 3 days, it's a pain to start cold.  At first, I had to pump the gas pedal 3 to 4 times for it to start, but over the winter, it got progressively worse.  Pumping it 3-4 times no longer works and leads to a flooded condition instead.  What's interesting is that it will start if I leave the choke open and don't pump the gas pedal at all...it catches and then I blip the gas pedal a couple of times to stabilize it and let the fast idle do its thing until the engine is warmed up.  So, starting the engine with the choke left open confirms the flooded condition I have.

Question now is: what is causing this?  Is it the plastic wells that are glued to the phenolic bowl going bad and leaking, bad o-rings, or both?  Should I continue to keep the carb bowl vent plumbed into the charcoal canister or leave it out "in the open?"  Again, once the engine is warmed up, it runs great and I have absolutely NO warm start or hot start issues.

Thanks for the help!
R. Soriano
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Offline burdar

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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013 - 12:06:51 AM »
The main bodies are known to warp.  I've also seen the cups break away from the body. 

My car starts a little hard after sitting for a few days too.  I think my problem is today's gas evaporates very fast.  It doesn't sound like that's your problem.

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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2013 - 07:26:03 AM »
I have rebuilt several TQs & never found one with a warped body or leaking bowl although I have read about this.
A correctly adjusted/working choke pull off was my first thought but that would effect it on any cold start. I had a vacuum pull off fail & gave me fits before figuring out.
My experience has been that after several days there seems to be no fuel in the carb(which I believe is due to fuel evaporation) & the process of cranking & pumping can flood the engine so I have learned to crank the motor a little while, stop, pump the accelerator to set the choke and squirt fuel then usually she fires right up.   
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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2013 - 12:21:50 PM »
I've always had this problem with any carb that has a plunger type accelerator pump (TQ, AFB, AVS).  The gas evaporates out of the fuel bowls and accelerator pump making it difficult to start.  Holley carbs sort of get around this because the fuel in the accelerator pump is trapped, not exposed to the bowl vent.  This allows the Holley to have a couple of squirts of fuel, sometimes thats enough to get the engine lit.


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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013 - 02:00:53 PM »
My car is hard starting after a few days too. I have to do what Bullit suggests to avoid flooding the car. It is especially hard starting when towing on an open trailer.
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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2013 - 03:58:25 PM »
Thanks to the Ethanol in our gas now, mine will be in a bad mood after about a week of sitting. I just give it a blast with starting fluid, and that brings it to life real fast.   :grinyes:

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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013 - 05:40:20 AM »
I manually prime my thermo quad with a teaspoon of gas into each front barrel.  She fires up instantly and saves wear and tear on the starter and battery.  Works every time!

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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2013 - 06:25:51 PM »
If the carb works fine otherwise my bet is the ethanol in the fuel , it evaporates fer more easily & takes a while to refil the carb after sitting , you could test the fuel pump to make sure it is 100%

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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013 - 01:30:43 PM »
Get an electric fuel pump.
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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2013 - 12:46:38 AM »
Thanks everyone for the tips and info.  Are there any brands that still sell ethanol-free gas besides racing gas?

If the carb works fine otherwise my bet is the ethanol in the fuel , it evaporates fer more easily & takes a while to refil the carb after sitting , you could test the fuel pump to make sure it is 100%
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- 2007 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT
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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
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Re: Thermoquad Hard to Start After Sitting
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013 - 12:48:59 PM »
Thanks everyone for the tips and info.  Are there any brands that still sell ethanol-free gas besides racing gas?

Check with marinas if there is no station close by, they may carry a marine grade.
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