Should I add a Trans-am style spoiler?

[Fern]

Spoilers by randy has something like what your looking for

http://www.spoilersbyrandy.com/Pages/7074Challengerspoiler.aspx

[Katfish]

That's nice, but too small IMO

[brads70]

   I've seen those before. Thanks though! 

[dodj]

Welll that looks pretty good.  I have not seen that before.  Got any details?


Jason

Those are pics of Drew Cranes car. He's a member here.   
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=69482.0

[Mopar Mitch]

Hi Brad... I like Drew's black Challenger retrofitting the new model challenger's front spoiler... looks smooth and slick, and not too low.  However, I being that you (as I, too) appreciate and desire the "vintage" pro-TransAm appearance.  I've been real-close to submitting my pre-pay orders to thje AAR spolier guy so he could move forward with the molds and eventual production of the replica full-width spoilers -- i honestly feel he needs to advertise and promote them better -- ther ARE AWESOME for apperance, and certainly functional at hi-speeds.  BUT.. I too fear the dreaded potential damage, being that my T/A sits low.. in street trim with BFG T/As, and lower with my 16" race rims.  BUT ALSO, I want "function" at hi-speed lapping roads course events. 

Now... here's an idea.. Consider the Mopar T/A split front spoilers.  I like the dsign, by default, that they have the split opening... because I can slightly lift the front end/bumper and then slide my floor jack under it to lift/service whenever needed.. very conveniant!  Imagine... having a full-width front spoiler with a hinged-type of "center section" that can allow that portion (~12-15 inches wide?) that can simply be flipped up to allow a floor jack to slide under the front of the car?  With the solid full-width front spoiler a floor jack won't fit.. not conveniant!  With a hinged center section, the width would always be down (perhaps velcro'd or clipped to the balance width side spoliers) while driving/lapping/racing, so to get full effective function and advantage of the full-width front spoiler.

You know I personally want a full-width front spoiler, as it'll give awesome appearnce, different than the normal T/As, etc, and compliment the pro-TransAm Vintage appearance, and truly be functional on hi-speed road course lapping events.

For pylon autocross events (lower speed), I would pass on the full-width as we need all the narrowness possible to squeeze between the pylons.

Finally, adding some type of front decal(s) to the front spoilers makes it look more awesome (in my opion!)... just look at my car..;<))   and some race sponsors want/require front-end advertising.. again.. see my front spoilers.

I DO PLAN to someday make this design that I've described above.. having a hinged-type front center section (for floor jack access).. and full width effectiveness for hi-speed function as well as awesome visual appearance and differentiation from all the other normal T/A front spoliers.

Regarding brakes ducts, I favor them, but there are alternative ways to hook up the hoses other than fro the spoiler openings... they can be routed from the lower valance sides.. another idea in the works.

[Mopar Mitch]

I came across another idea for T/A Challenger front spoilers...   Go visit your local Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, etc type of hardware store.. check out their shop vacuum accesories, in particular the item (from RIGID brand?) that has a 2.5" hose opening.. for vacuuming the floor.  Guess what?  It fits nearly perfect inside the back of a Chall T/A chin spolier... BRAKE DUCTS that fit for the Chally!  They'd have to be fitted, epoxied (perhaps), and the front opening made in each spolier... then use the shop-vacuum 2.5" hose to connect and route to the middle of the rotor, or at the center of the spindle to flow air there for wheel bearing/disc cooling.  Also, this item I'm telling you about is molded at about a 45 degree angle, so, it'll be parrallel to the ground with the hose.

AND... consider using 2-pairs of T/A front spoliers (the flexible plastic .. not the firm fiberglass) to widen them .. about an extra 7-8", out beyond the turn signal valance, just heat-gun the required radius for the turn signal valence bulge.   When I get this done I'll post pics (winter project at this time scheduled).

Since most of the road course tracks I've been attending result in average lap speed of about 70-80 mph (hitting ~100-110, maybe a little higher only for short time down the few long straights), I don't think additional down-force is that much of an issue to be gained, but front brake cooling is more important for these road courses.

[brads70]

I came across another idea for T/A Challenger front spoilers...   Go visit your local Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, etc type of hardware store.. check out their shop vacuum accesories, in particular the item (from RIGID brand?) that has a 2.5" hose opening.. for vacuuming the floor.  Guess what?  It fits nearly perfect inside the back of a Chall T/A chin spolier... BRAKE DUCTS that fit for the Chally!  They'd have to be fitted, epoxied (perhaps), and the front opening made in each spolier... then use the shop-vacuum 2.5" hose to connect and route to the middle of the rotor, or at the center of the spindle to flow air there for wheel bearing/disc cooling.  Also, this item I'm telling you about is molded at about a 45 degree angle, so, it'll be parrallel to the ground with the hose.

AND... consider using 2-pairs of T/A front spoliers (the flexible plastic .. not the firm fiberglass) to widen them .. about an extra 7-8", out beyond the turn signal valance, just heat-gun the required radius for the turn signal valence bulge.   When I get this done I'll post pics (winter project at this time scheduled).

Since most of the road course tracks I've been attending result in average lap speed of about 70-80 mph (hitting ~100-110, maybe a little higher only for short time down the few long straights), I don't think additional down-force is that much of an issue to be gained, but front brake cooling is more important for these road courses.

Good idea but the hose needs to be able to take the heat. The proper stuff is expensive.    I never did get around to this spoiler, maybe a winter project? ( no snow plow jokes!)

[Tonker1]

I came across another idea for T/A Challenger front spoilers...   Go visit your local Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, etc type of hardware store.. check out their shop vacuum accesories, in particular the item (from RIGID brand?) that has a 2.5" hose opening.. for vacuuming the floor.  Guess what?  It fits nearly perfect inside the back of a Chall T/A chin spolier... BRAKE DUCTS that fit for the Chally!  They'd have to be fitted, epoxied (perhaps), and the front opening made in each spolier... then use the shop-vacuum 2.5" hose to connect and route to the middle of the rotor, or at the center of the spindle to flow air there for wheel bearing/disc cooling.  Also, this item I'm telling you about is molded at about a 45 degree angle, so, it'll be parrallel to the ground with the hose.

AND... consider using 2-pairs of T/A front spoliers (the flexible plastic .. not the firm fiberglass) to widen them .. about an extra 7-8", out beyond the turn signal valance, just heat-gun the required radius for the turn signal valence bulge.   When I get this done I'll post pics (winter project at this time scheduled).

Since most of the road course tracks I've been attending result in average lap speed of about 70-80 mph (hitting ~100-110, maybe a little higher only for short time down the few long straights), I don't think additional down-force is that much of an issue to be gained, but front brake cooling is more important for these road courses.

I'll be interested to see your elapsed times before and after the addition of vacuum hoses. Assuming it works, that will be a really cool budget track mod!

[drewcrane]

Hi Brad... I like Drew's black Challenger retrofitting the new model challenger's front spoiler... looks smooth and slick, and not too low.  However, I being that you (as I, too) appreciate and desire the "vintage" pro-TransAm appearance.  I've been real-close to submitting my pre-pay orders to thje AAR spolier guy so he could move forward with the molds and eventual production of the replica full-width spoilers -- i honestly feel he needs to advertise and promote them better -- ther ARE AWESOME for apperance, and certainly functional at hi-speeds.  BUT.. I too fear the dreaded potential damage, being that my T/A sits low.. in street trim with BFG T/As, and lower with my 16" race rims.  BUT ALSO, I want "function" at hi-speed lapping roads course events. 

Now... here's an idea.. Consider the Mopar T/A split front spoilers.  I like the dsign, by default, that they have the split opening... because I can slightly lift the front end/bumper and then slide my floor jack under it to lift/service whenever needed.. very conveniant!  Imagine... having a full-width front spoiler with a hinged-type of "center section" that can allow that portion (~12-15 inches wide?) that can simply be flipped up to allow a floor jack to slide under the front of the car?  With the solid full-width front spoiler a floor jack won't fit.. not conveniant!  With a hinged center section, the width would always be down (perhaps velcro'd or clipped to the balance width side spoliers) while driving/lapping/racing, so to get full effective function and advantage of the full-width front spoiler.

You know I personally want a full-width front spoiler, as it'll give awesome appearnce, different than the normal T/As, etc, and compliment the pro-TransAm Vintage appearance, and truly be functional on hi-speed road course lapping events.

For pylon autocross events (lower speed), I would pass on the full-width as we need all the narrowness possible to squeeze between the pylons.

Finally, adding some type of front decal(s) to the front spoilers makes it look more awesome (in my opion!)... just look at my car..;<))   and some race sponsors want/require front-end advertising.. again.. see my front spoilers.

I DO PLAN to someday make this design that I've described above.. having a hinged-type front center section (for floor jack access).. and full width effectiveness for hi-speed function as well as awesome visual appearance and differentiation from all the other normal T/A front spoliers.

Regarding brakes ducts, I favor them, but there are alternative ways to hook up the hoses other than fro the spoiler openings... they can be routed from the lower valance sides.. another idea in the works.

Yea the hinged idea is a good one ,my jack barely fits under the spoiler, the other thing I wanted to do was a track only front spoiler that is  as low as possible and connect it with quick connectors , using your idea one could have several different spoilers ,also yea brake cooling is a must on most tracks , the more the merrier

[johns cuda shop]

I like the way it looks , It might be a curb knocker though . 

[brads70]

Well it's COLD and I'm bored.... that and my front valance is in the basement close to the wood stove while the front end is apart getting the US Cartool cowl braces welded on so,....
I started a mock up using foam core paperboard I found at a local art supply store.  I also added spindle brake cooling ducts.( there is  left hand and right hand part numbers)
http://www.allstarperformance.com/product.htm?prod=359&part=ALL42115&add=no

[Mopar Thunder]

I would do what makes you happy.  I personally wouldn't or at least I would make one smaller.

[anlauto]

I think the paperboard won't be strong enough and just blow off in the wind

[brads70]

I think the paperboard won't be strong enough and just blow off in the wind

That's what duct tape is for! Sheesh and you call yourself a Canadian!   
I'll have about $40 in materials into it, so if I don't like it not a big deal.

[HP_Cuda]

Way cool Brad, kinda reminds me of the Shelby's with the rear brakes being cooled which is somewhat unnecessary as 80% of the braking is done by the fronts.