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    Offline publicbottle

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    AAR/TA mufflers
    « on: May 02, 2013 - 09:56:38 AM »
    I was wondering if anyone would happen to know the physical dimensions of the mufflers originally used on the challenger T/A and AAR cuda exhaust systems.
    Because I am building a similar style exhaust system on my challenger, i am curious if these magnaflo mufflers may work as a substitue....
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mpe-14210

    Is there any other choices out there for mufflers with the inlet/outlet on the same end?

     :burnout:
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    Offline cudabob496

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013 - 06:39:44 AM »
    don't know, but I've read that style of muffler hurts power output.
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    Offline grimmey71

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013 - 11:59:49 AM »
    Quote from: cudabob496 on May 03, 2013 - 06:39:44 AM
    don't know, but I've read that style of muffler hurts power output.

    Wow. I never hear that before. Do you know how much?
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    Offline Chryco Psycho

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013 - 09:43:16 PM »
    I remember finding a Wizard or similar name muffler with inlet & outlet at the same end but it was available in 3"
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    Offline cudabob496

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013 - 03:10:56 AM »
    Quote from: grimmey71 on May 03, 2013 - 11:59:49 AM
    Wow. I never hear that before. Do you know how much?

    No, it was just mentioned in a Mopar article I read once. They were implying all the twists and turns
    hurt power output, which makes some sense, compared to a straight through system. Probably
    only 5 or 10 hp, if we're talking about an engine that is not high output.
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    1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

    2011 Kawasaki Z1000

    Offline Chryco Psycho

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013 - 06:38:18 AM »
    well a turbo muffler has 2 180* turns , the AAR has only one
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    Offline cudabob496

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013 - 05:23:27 PM »
    Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 04, 2013 - 06:38:18 AM
    well a turbo muffler has 2 180* turns , the AAR has only one

    We need a test!
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    72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

    1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

    2011 Kawasaki Z1000

    Offline cudabob496

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013 - 08:07:03 AM »
    Found this in a chat room, and found another article, that said the original AAR side exhaust mufflers were restrictive, only flowing 175 cfm.

    "Besides the mufflers I make, I do like the Stainless Ultra Flows. I'll be running a set of prototype stainless Super Turbos we built while I worked for Dynomax 11 years ago. These are reverse flow to go on my AAR. We flow tested an NOS muffler I have for the AAR-T/A & it tested at 175 sCFM. The ones we built for my AAR flow 375 sCFM. I can't wait to hear them!"

    Something about a "pinch down" area on the muffler, that restricts flow.

    I think the Walker Super Turbos flow up near and above 400 CFM. TTI recommends them, due to high
    flow and lower noise. But on my 3 inch system, I still wear earplugs. The X pipe seem to make
    it quieter.
    « Last Edit: May 05, 2013 - 09:46:41 PM by cudabob496 »
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    72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

    1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

    2011 Kawasaki Z1000

    Offline grimmey71

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013 - 11:13:55 PM »
    Quote from: cudabob496 on May 05, 2013 - 08:07:03 AM
    Found this in a chat room, and found another article, that said the original AAR side exhaust mufflers were restrictive, only flowing 175 cfm.

    "Besides the mufflers I make, I do like the Stainless Ultra Flows. I'll be running a set of prototype stainless Super Turbos we built while I worked for Dynomax 11 years ago. These are reverse flow to go on my AAR. We flow tested an NOS muffler I have for the AAR-T/A & it tested at 175 sCFM. The ones we built for my AAR flow 375 sCFM. I can't wait to hear them!"

    Something about a "pinch down" area on the muffler, that restricts flow.

    I think the Walker Super Turbos flow up near and above 400 CFM. TTI recommends them, due to high
    flow and lower noise. But on my 3 inch system, I still wear earplugs. The X pipe seem to make
    it quieter.
    Thanks for this, I also have a 3inch pipe with an x pipe and was thinking it may be too big for a stock(for now) 6.1 hemi
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    Offline cudabob496

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013 - 07:18:53 AM »
    Quote from: grimmey71 on May 05, 2013 - 11:13:55 PM
    Thanks for this, I also have a 3inch pipe with an x pipe and was thinking it may be too big for a stock(for now) 6.1 hemi

    think I just read that 3 inch is ok if you are 475 horse and higher, so you should be ok, especially if
    you upgrade in future, which we all do!!
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    1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

    2011 Kawasaki Z1000

    Offline Changin Gears

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2013 - 12:26:35 PM »
    Quote from: publicbottle on May 02, 2013 - 09:56:38 AM

    Is there any other choices out there for mufflers with the inlet/outlet on the same end?

     :burnout:
    Dynomax 17676 are on the same end.
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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #11 on: May 06, 2013 - 06:00:59 PM »
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    Offline cudabob496

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2013 - 04:34:35 AM »
    Quote from: Changin Gears on May 06, 2013 - 12:26:35 PM
    Dynomax 17676 are on the same end.

    Whats your rear end suspension setup?
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    72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

    1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

    2011 Kawasaki Z1000

    Offline aarcuda33

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    Re: AAR/TA mufflers
    « Reply #13 on: May 08, 2013 - 01:06:31 PM »
    The physical dimensions of an aar /ta muffler is

    muffler body is 20 inches long   23 1/4 including the inlet/outlet pipes
    the body is 10 1/2 inches wide
    the body is 4 1/2 inches thick
    and of course the front and rear corner on the same side are crushed in for clearance

    Hope this helps you
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