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Offline Glennster

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Better brake Pads?
« on: May 12, 2013 - 09:27:10 AM »
Are there Brake Pads out there that would have better bite than the ones that came on this kit?
These don't seem to have as much grab as I'd like.





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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013 - 10:11:08 AM »
Are those the stock pads on there now? organic? or semi-metallic? Do you have an adjustable proportioning valve?
Remember, the real aggressive pads wear out the rotors much faster.
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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013 - 10:18:32 AM »
I heard Firm Feel sells some nice pads/shoes. I bought the pads but never got to try them out before I did the Viper caliper swap. I sent them over to Aaron Beck?  With the state of disassembly his car is at I don't think he can give  you and feedback either?  :lol:
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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013 - 11:38:31 AM »
The brake kit I have has similar pads and I don't think they are as aggressive as I would like. I have ordered Bendix TitaniuMetallic II pads to try from RockAuto.com. I haven't received them yet.

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2013 - 12:44:16 PM »
there should be a selection of materials ranging from semi metallic to ceramics etc

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013 - 12:46:04 PM »
Are those the stock pads on there now? organic? or semi-metallic? Do you have an adjustable proportioning valve?
Remember, the real aggressive pads wear out the rotors much faster.

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013 - 05:08:58 PM »
They are stock pads. I do not have a proportioning valve.
I hear that the wrong master cylinder can cause this problem, does this look like the right one?


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Better brake Pads?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2013 - 08:27:26 PM »
I don't have a proportioning valve either. I used a master cylinder from master power brakes (http://www.mpbrakes.com/products/product-detail.cfm?product_id=524) with a 1" bore. I used the stock brake pushrod from my manual MC and it feels good. For me I would like a little more aggressive front pads. I changed my rear wheel cylinders to 13/16".

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013 - 08:56:00 PM »
Lookls like the right master , without a prop valve the rears will usually lock up first , you can use larger bore wheel cylinders or add an adjustable prop valve to balance the system

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013 - 11:41:16 AM »
Bendix sells ceramic pads for stock calipers. I got mine from Summit. LAA66 had pointed them out to me.
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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013 - 12:26:09 PM »
I was wrong!!!
I do have a proportioning valve. It is the one that came with the car. The car ''HAD'' drums all the way around. I added the discs up front, but never changed from the original drum brake proportioning valve.
Is that my problem?
Sorry for the bad info in the beginning of the post.

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013 - 12:58:12 PM »
I was wrong!!!
I do have a proportioning valve. It is the one that came with the car. The car ''HAD'' drums all the way around. I added the discs up front, but never changed from the original drum brake proportioning valve.
Is that my problem?
Sorry for the bad info in the beginning of the post.

Definitely a problem having the wrong prop. valve. It is biased wrong.I bet if you put a prop valve for
 disc brakes and a decent set of ceramic pads on there, you'll see a huge difference. Maybe just try the prop valve first.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2013 - 01:00:50 PM by 72cudamaan »
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Better brake Pads?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013 - 05:30:46 PM »
Question then about the proportioning valve. I switched from all drums to front discs and used the same distribution valve that was in the car. My car stops without any problems. Would I get better brakes with a proportioning valve in place?

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Re: Better brake Pads?
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013 - 10:52:41 PM »
There should be no restriction to the front brakes as they do 75% or more of the work , there is a residual pressure valve in the master for drum brakes so you need a different master cylinder for disc brakes . Generally without changing the prop valve or the wheel cylinders the rear will lock up first & easily so they require less pressure .
There is also the issue of matching the right bore size , too large makes the pedal hard to push & hard to get the brakes to work & with limited travel , too small & the pedal travels too far & it is easy to over apply the brakes with excessive pressure . 
This is all great in theory but with a customers Camaro we tried 3 different bore masters & no matter how hard you pushed on the pedal the car just would not stop . It had 4 wheel discs & just could not make the brakes work well .  :pullinghair:

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Better brake Pads?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2013 - 12:19:17 PM »
Thanks Chryco. My brakes seem to work ok. The front calipers are 2.75" with 279mm rotors & the rear drums are 11x2.5 with a 13/16" wheel cylinder. I've tried panic stops from 55 mph and can not lock the rear drums. My master cyl is a 1" bore manual type. My pedal is solid but there is some movement to it which I like.  Probably only goes not even halfway to the floor before it is rock hard. I wasn't going to put a proportioning valve in under these conditions.  All pads and shoes are of the organic type. I am going to put semi-metallic on the front.