Eye-opening Road Trip

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Offline burnt orange

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Eye-opening Road Trip
« on: June 27, 2013 - 04:25:41 PM »
My wife and I just got back from a 3000 mile road trip through southern Cali, Arizona and bits of Nevada. 
We stayed off the freeways and visited all the small (and some not-so-small) towns that we could find.

For the last 25 years all my visits to the US have been flying from Canada to tourist destinations and hanging around places like Vegas, Palm Beach, Daytona, Anaheim....the usual artificial destinations.  This trip was different.

What a shocker! 
What has happened to the backbone of America? 

I remember these small towns as thriving pleasant places that represented what made the US one of the nicest places to live.  When I was much younger I spent many vacations driving through the same areas and felt happy and safe. Not so anymore.  Here are some of my observations:

Empty streets.
Even in the middle of the day on a weekday there are no cars parked at the curb, no people walking around, and so many, so very many businesses with closed signs in the windows.  These towns seemed nearly deserted.  Dusty, dirty and uncared-for.

Stuff for sale. 
Everywhere we drove people were selling their "toys".  Boats, RVs, cars and trucks, 4X4s and motorcycles of every kind were for sale at bargain prices.  Sadly, there were also people selling stuff from their homes at the side of the road - refrigerators, TVs, furniture, kids play sets.....the list of "not toys" goes on.

Abandoned homes and businesses. 
This was the most shocking.  The huge number of closed, abandoned, vandalized and boarded-up businesses was unbelievable.  Everywhere we saw closed stores, even in malls that are only a few years old in fairly large towns.

Closed plants and factories. 
Serious numbers of factories with locked gates.

Some towns appeared to be functioning at 20% or less of what they were only a few decades ago!

It is so depressing. 

Where have the people gone?  What do the ones who stayed do?   :dunno:
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013 - 05:48:36 PM »
 
What has happened to the backbone of America? 


A government that spends more than it raises, thats so busy fighting amongst itself its lost sight of who they are supposed serve while they pass legislation that allows the super rich to avoid regulation in their investments couple with an industrial sector that is more concerned with stock value and exective compensation than producing durable domestic goods.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013 - 06:23:59 PM »
I think most of these people moved to California. The traffic is really bad here.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013 - 08:46:49 PM »
Exactly, HP2. Greed by the rich destroyed the middle class.

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013 - 09:34:06 PM »
I don't know all about that area of the United States, but the Southeast is doing fine...

Manufacturers have been locating here, and investing. Costs of living are low, and wages therefore can be low too.

It's a win-win.


You guys are almost fatalistic about the future, and that's_scary. The future isn't scary, but rather your preconceived notion of what is and has happened is scary because it is rooted in fear and not fact. In decline and not in rejuvenation.

In can't instead of can.

And you are wrong because we can. We all can, and we will.

The city I live in Chattanooga is doing very well. Our manufacturing base has stabilized and the recent VW plant is humming along nicely. Amazon has two centers here. Aerosyn makes windmills... Wacker is building a huge solar panel facility.

And there's loads more.

Nissan. Spring Hill. Hyundai. Honda. Corvettes in Bowling Green. Suppliers all over the place. Toyota in Mississippi, Kentucky, Texas, West Virginia, and a host more..

Severstal N.A in Columbus Mississippi.

I'm good and damn tired of the can't.

Come to Chattanooga next time and I'll show the "can".

We are doing just fine. heh.



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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013 - 10:20:45 PM »
Dusty...... you seem to be the Republican dream American. Mr. lowered expectation, like the Chinese.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013 - 11:04:21 PM »
Dusty.
I am happy that your part of the US is doing well.

FYI

VW - German
Wacker - German
Aerisyn - German (filing for bankruptcy)
Nissan, Hyundai. Honda and Toyota - guess where?
Severstal N.A. - Russia
Amazon - USA (poor warehouse conditions for workers; anti-unionization efforts, anti-competitive actions... simply the Wallmart of the online     world selling cheap foreign merchandise)

CORVETTE!!!!!! - US of A!!

What cost is the "win-win" you mention?
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013 - 02:39:24 AM »
I am fortunate to live in the town that I am at. They forsaw many of the things that you speak about, and went proactive years ago. While many towns in the immediate area struggled and lost and stayed stagnant, my town had already begun to try and lure new businesses. They implemented a small tax to fund this. They built a brand new school system. Many complaigned at the time, seeing as they had no kids, etc, but in the end - it was a very wise investment. I voted for it, and I have no kids. It attracts a lot of people. A recent article in the newspaper (yes, we have a once a week paper, actually, an award winning paper that puts to shame papers from much larger communities, a very nice newspaper) stated that we are in short supply of housing for people that want to locate here. We also have a movie theater. One of only from N.Platte to Kearney. They just modernized to digital. It is a small community, 3800 or so, but it is growing. Many of the communities around us are not. Laugh your butts off at our small town amenities, but this is a very nice town, and a cool place to raise your kids. Sometimes less is more. I lived in Houston for 12 years. While I liked that during my earlier years, I'm glad to be back here. There aren't as many downtown stores as when I was a kid, internet and mega stores kind of did away with that. But it is a cool place.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013 - 07:21:53 AM »
Gumby: Exactly. And Texas' economy is kicking butt!  :woohoo:

I'm not gonna delve into the Union thing fellas. I drink Union beer and that's about it. Pay should be tied to performance and no one working on an assembly line should be making 35.00 an hour with full benefits and a vacation home on the lake.

Right to work states have done better. Also, if foreign companies can come in and operate profitably then U.S. companies should be able to.

If VW can build cars here and turn a profit why can't  Chrysler or GM?

Since you asked, unions had a place before the 40 hour work week, OSHA, the EPA, and Workers Comp laws came into effect. Today their place is squarely in bin of history. At times there may be a need for organization,but generally in highly competitive industries unions serve to hamstring the operation.

That's my take. I've seen more than one factory shuttered because it was tried to Unionize it. Not only are we competing with ourselves and China but there are other nationalities that will be only too happy to take our jobs and work for lower wages.

Now as far as the post above that attacks me as being a right-winger. You are CRAZY. I think weed and drugs should be legal. I think prostitution and gambling should be legal and regulated. I think we should give people help with education. I think we should provide low interest loans to Americans and not just Indians for buying gas stations and starting businesses......

This is my last post on the topic. I've read hundred of articles about job losses in Union country and the comments below them read like a socialist cry fest. The funny thing is that unionized folks tend to cry and say diminished expectations when talking about the future... while looking down their nose at other areas of the country that are healthier and at industries that are competitive and employing folks.

That documentary on Detroit showed much the same.

You have to be competitive to compete. That is all.

Good day, sirs.  :thumbsup:


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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013 - 10:28:25 AM »
I live in an area that is doing very well economically. I have enjoyed fairly high employment and consistent increases in value of land and property. We have businesses moving in and unemplyment is falling. Even some manufacturing that moved offshore has returned. I have every reason to be optimistic. However, I also try to look at the bigger picture of the US economy and our role in the world and I've seen changes in my lfetime that alarm me and most seem oblivous to or do not care enough about them because they don't understand the impact these changes have on them personally.

Some of the biggest highlights of this were Nixon taking us off the gold standard in the '70s. The dollar has value simply because the world say it does. Should the winds of change blow in another direction and faith in our currency drops, so to does our value to the world and our standard of living. Did you know all oil in the world has to be bought in sold in dollars? What happens when a major producer decides to change the currency?

The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s that was the result of deregulated financial institutions. This was a multi billion dollar lesson in what happens when you deregulate a key indstry and we were not smart enough to learn from and it lead directly all the mergers and acquisitions of major financial institutions in the following decade.

During the '90s we allowed these guys to all get so fat and we became so dependant upon them that we duplicated the same frickin financial meltdown again when everything came crashing down in the '00s and we now had to pony up multi-trillions of dollars to bail out organizations deemed "too big to allow to fail".  See a trend here? The size of the msitakes keeps multiplying.

So we all have to pay to resolve the problems of people who don't have to take respopnsibility for their actions, while they still get million dollars bonuses. The politicos get bought off to support the laws to allow this to happenand so long as they get their $$ along the way, they could care less what happens to their constituants. This isn't a  replublican or democrat issue, its an American issue and as long as we sit back and allow it, we will continue to live on a bubble.

Given the trends I've seen over the past 40 years, what and how big is our next crisis going to be?

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013 - 12:05:39 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2013 - 01:48:41 AM »
I live in an area that is doing very well economically. I have enjoyed fairly high employment and consistent increases in value of land and property. We have businesses moving in and unemplyment is falling. Even some manufacturing that moved offshore has returned. I have every reason to be optimistic. However, I also try to look at the bigger picture of the US economy and our role in the world and I've seen changes in my lfetime that alarm me and most seem oblivous to or do not care enough about them because they don't understand the impact these changes have on them personally.

Some of the biggest highlights of this were Nixon taking us off the gold standard in the '70s. The dollar has value simply because the world say it does. Should the winds of change blow in another direction and faith in our currency drops, so to does our value to the world and our standard of living. Did you know all oil in the world has to be bought in sold in dollars? What happens when a major producer decides to change the currency?

The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s that was the result of deregulated financial institutions. This was a multi billion dollar lesson in what happens when you deregulate a key indstry and we were not smart enough to learn from and it lead directly all the mergers and acquisitions of major financial institutions in the following decade.

During the '90s we allowed these guys to all get so fat and we became so dependant upon them that we duplicated the same frickin financial meltdown again when everything came crashing down in the '00s and we now had to pony up multi-trillions of dollars to bail out organizations deemed "too big to allow to fail".  See a trend here? The size of the msitakes keeps multiplying.

So we all have to pay to resolve the problems of people who don't have to take respopnsibility for their actions, while they still get million dollars bonuses. The politicos get bought off to support the laws to allow this to happenand so long as they get their $$ along the way, they could care less what happens to their constituants. This isn't a  replublican or democrat issue, its an American issue and as long as we sit back and allow it, we will continue to live on a bubble.

Given the trends I've seen over the past 40 years, what and how big is our next crisis going to be?
  Actually, we went of the Gold Standard with Woodrow Wilson, way back in the 1900's. 1919, I think.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2013 - 02:51:57 AM »
I believe you are correct sir! Woodrow was another Progreassive shartbag!

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Eye-opening Road Trip
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2013 - 08:51:19 AM »
You should have come to Texas. My region is booming with the eagle ford shale.

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2013 - 10:08:12 AM »
Skunkworks, I don't know from where you got that quote.... but...  :grinyes:
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