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Offline BadJoey

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@#$%%^! Starter
« on: June 30, 2013 - 04:46:52 PM »
Starter is a rebuild about 2 or 3 years old . Even at 3 years maybe 2000 miles how many times could it have been used . Every so often it clicks at the starter without turning over . Cleaned the cables couldn't be that lucky . The 60 bucks don't have me pissed dropping the headers and jacking the motor does . Any ideas out there ? :pullinghair:




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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013 - 05:32:37 PM »
The last dozen posts that started out as "Bad Starter" turned out to be something else.
   Typically a bad battery cable.  Don't be in a big hurry to pull the starter.
 
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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013 - 06:00:18 PM »
Tap the starter with a rubber hammer and try it again. Are you using a stock starter? They don't work good when they get hot. You should look into a mini starter. You can use a factory mini from a mid 90's Dakota. It will bolt right on. You can get one from a junk yard very cheap. A parts store will have a rebuilt until pretty cheap too.

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013 - 06:33:34 PM »
dist gap, Ballast resistor, coil, or ignition module seem to be the bulk of ignition related problems.  Those should be a lot easier to swap than a starter.  I'd try those first :)

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013 - 07:54:07 PM »
Pretty sure it's the starter . Car is not turning over . At the time I just got home so it was hot . I got it going when I popped the clutch .  It wasn't rolling fast enough to start but it moved something just enough . It then started 6 or 7 times . I heard something about a flat spot one time is that a real problem ?

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013 - 07:58:35 PM »
Don't use the stock starter with headers. Go get a factory mini. Yes, you can get a bad spot on the starter. Tapping it can move things around enough to get it to work again...until it stops on that spot again.

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013 - 09:39:02 PM »
Maybe it's not the starter but instead the starter relay? A lot easier and cheaper to substitute a known good relay in there to see if it solves the problem for you.
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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013 - 10:05:06 PM »
Jump the two starter posts. That will bypass the relay.

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013 - 01:08:43 AM »
Mopar starters are very reliable usually , it could be a problem with the rebuilder , I installed 4 in my Warlock , finally the rebuilder refused warranty so it took the starter apart & found the problem there was a coating on the contact ring so I took it back to the rebuilder in Pieces I showed him why they were having the problem . Heat is usually the the reason they have problems especially around headers ,, you could try wrapping the starter or building a heat sheild

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2013 - 01:25:33 AM »
How about the basic condition of the battery?  How old is it?  Should have almost 13 volts with nothing running. 

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013 - 07:30:20 PM »
Just spent $200.00 on a mini starter and a heat shield .This should last longer then I will . :bigsmile:
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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013 - 11:23:04 PM »
Now that you've got your nice, new starter; if you care to find out what went wrong with the old one, it's likely the brushes sticking in their holders or a bad/corroded spot on the communtater (sic?). That's why tapping it or bumping it sometimes works,  as it causes the connection to re-establish itself in a new, working spot. Usually fairly easy to repair. See if any of the old garage guys have a growler" and they'll explain the drill.  :2cents:

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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2013 - 04:40:30 PM »
dist gap, Ballast resistor, coil, or ignition module seem to be the bulk of ignition related problems.  Those should be a lot easier to swap than a starter.  I'd try those first :)

Unfortunately none of the parts would keep the starter from cranking.
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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013 - 04:44:35 PM »
As little use as these cars get I have seen alot of corrosion issues just from sitting. If
the windings or even wire connections get a bit of corrosion on them, the wiring or armature can't get a good flow of current. Sometimes
this happens, then the starter may engage just slightly until it gets to a good contact point, then
it cranks effectively and your car starts. So... has your car been sitting for quite a while?
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Re: @#$%%^! Starter
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2013 - 07:48:02 AM »
Car sits in a (little) heated garage over winter . Ran it several times this year and this was the second time this happened . The tech guy at Summit used the phrase " heat soaked "it happens a lot .At this point it's all water under the bridge . New starter is in the garage and will be in in a few hours .  :clapping: