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Offline tony 73

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #285 on: April 06, 2015 - 10:54:38 PM »
looking great Darren, your attention to detail is second to none, the dart and the challenger are going to look so good next to one another in the driveway.




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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #286 on: April 15, 2015 - 10:45:10 AM »
Thanks Tony.  Your Challenger and Road Runner are looking good too.

I bought some adjustable control arms a few weeks ago.  I originally thought the 73+ A-body UCA were the same as the B&E arms but they aren't.  They share the same upper ball joint but the arms themselves are different.  I didn't see where anyone was offering reproduction A-body arms so I was left with the choice of finding some originals, cleaning them up and installing Moog offset bushings OR buy a set of new adjustable arms.  After looking around at all the different brands, I decided to go with the SPC arms.  It sounds like they have been popular with Chevy guys for quite awhile but are relatively unknown in the Mopar world.  They look like quality pieces and offer a lot of adjustability.  I thought that would come in handy since the car will ride quite low.  I read some concerns about the bolt-together design but also read that they have been in service for many years and are a proven design.  They are quite heavy though.  I didn't weigh them but they feel a lot heavier then a stock arm.


I mounted up my original Challenger rotors and a 15x8 rallye wheel(4.5" back spacing) with a 235-60 drag radial.  The tire rubs the fender but there is good clearance to the tie rod.  It looks like an 18x8 with 5" backspacing might work with a 225-40 tire.  5" back spacing will get the wheel very close to the tie rod so I'll definitely need to get the steering mocked up before doing any final test fitments.  The other thing I'm not sure of is if the Wilwood brake kits change the track width at all.  One of their kits states that the offset remains the same but the larger kit I'm looking at doesn't mention it.  I sent an email to Magnumforce and Wilwood but never got a response.  It looks like I'll need to make some calls.  If the track width stays the same, I can mock everything up with the stock style rotors and wait to buy the brakes at a later date.


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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #287 on: April 15, 2015 - 11:28:03 AM »
A couple weeks ago I went to a salvage yard and picked up an electric cooling fan from a 3.8L Taurus for $20.  That fan upgrade is popular with the A-body crowd.  After getting it home, it was apparent that it wasn't going to work in my situation.  I'm using a different radiator then most people in this application and don't have much side to side adjustment.  There must be a few differences that make this fan too thick.  I'll have to run a solid fixed fan because I don't even have enough room for the thinnest clutch fan.


At 5" at it's thickest point, I don't have enough room to fit it in.  Even trimming off the maximum from the back side, it's still way too thick.
 

That leads me to my latest project.  There doesn't seem to be a fan shroud that fits the cc526 rad so I'm building one myself.  Things got off to a rocky start but hopefully I can get the rest of it done without an hassles. A couple weeks ago I drew up a design and picked up a 26x21 sheet of 1/16" aluminum.  I also picked up a scrap piece of aluminum so I could do some test bends on my brake.  I questioned whether the scrap piece they gave me was aluminum and they said it was.  When I tried to bend it, it wouldn't budge.  At first I thought my brake was just too small.  I talked to a metal fab company and they wanted $120 to bend the box for me.  I didn't really want to spend that much so I looked closer at the scrap piece I tried to bend.  It turns out that it was 1/16" stainless.  No wonder my brake didn't like it.

The metal fab shop also asked what grade the aluminum was.  They said if they tried bending 6061, it would crack at the bends.  In order to bend 90 degree corners I'd need to use 3003 or possibly 5052.  It turns out that I did have a piece of 6061 so I did some research on what it would take to bend it.  It turns out it CAN be bent if you anneal it first.   So, over the weekend I cut out the corners of the 6061 sheet and tried to anneal the areas that needed to be bent.  My first bend went fine...no cracking.  The second bend didn't go so well.  I must not have gotten it hot enough and it cracked along the entire length of the bend.

On Monday, I went back where I bought the aluminum and told them what happened and that I needed a piece that could be bent.  They looked puzzled and said, "You paid for 5052. I don't know why you ended up with a piece of 6061."  So, they cut me a new piece of 5052 for free.  Last night I got the new sheet bent with no cracking.  1/16" is still a little too much for my brake but I made it work.  I'm going to cut a half circle notch in the top to clear the upper hose nipple.(I need to raise the shroud at least 1/2") and cut out the fan hole.  Then, I'll need to get the corners welded.  Here's what I have so far.


You can also see that I'm test fitting a denso alternator.  The one that's on the engine right now is a 110amp unit from an Acura.  It's pretty thick though and hits the valve cover.  Since I won't be able to use an electric fan, I should be able to get away with a smaller 60amp denso.

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #288 on: April 15, 2015 - 12:18:43 PM »
Thanks Tony.  Your Challenger and Road Runner are looking good too.

I bought some adjustable control arms a few weeks ago.  I originally thought the 73+ A-body UCA were the same as the B&E arms but they aren't.  They share the same upper ball joint but the arms themselves are different.  I didn't see where anyone was offering reproduction A-body arms so I was left with the choice of finding some originals, cleaning them up and installing Moog offset bushings OR buy a set of new adjustable arms.  After looking around at all the different brands, I decided to go with the SPC arms.  It sounds like they have been popular with Chevy guys for quite awhile but are relatively unknown in the Mopar world.  They look like quality pieces and offer a lot of adjustability.  I thought that would come in handy since the car will ride quite low.  I read some concerns about the bolt-together design but also read that they have been in service for many years and are a proven design.  They are quite heavy though.  I didn't weigh them but they feel a lot heavier then a stock arm.



 Nice! I was looking at maybe buying them for my new k-frame project.
http://bergmanautocraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=5-0090
They have been around for many years in circle track/road racing but I have never know anyone directly that used them. I too wondered about durability on the street?  :dunno:  I like the design in that you don't have to disassemble the UCA to make adjustments which is MUCH easier!  And the extra adjustability it real nice when/if your not using stock parts. :icon16: I could easily make a longer adjuster arm or shorten one if necessary!  :2thumbs:
Brad
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My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #289 on: April 15, 2015 - 12:29:13 PM »
I got them on E-bay.  They came with the UBJ installed and free shipping.  $192 each I believe.  You can get them with solid or rubber(poly?) bushings.
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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #290 on: April 15, 2015 - 12:36:54 PM »
I got them on E-bay.  They came with the UBJ installed and free shipping.  $192 each I believe.  You can get them with solid or rubber(poly?) bushings.

Wow that's a better deal! Wonder why the mark up from BAC?  :clueless:
I just noticed that price from BAC was for a pair so it's in line price wise especially with the Delrin bushings he uses.  :2thumbs:

Just looking at your picture, is the bushing designed so that the arm can't move for and aft? I assume it is?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015 - 12:49:30 PM by brads70 »
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #291 on: April 15, 2015 - 12:59:51 PM »
They look just like the picture in the BAC link.  They don't have that extra metal lip on them like the factory bushings.  I don't know if the factory bushings have that lip to limit fore/aft movement or just to spread out the clamping load when the cam bolts are tightened.
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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #292 on: April 15, 2015 - 07:03:46 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-uDd0-oALk

Just doing some online research and was wondering if you have them on the wrong sides? L-R?  From the link I think the fixed side goes towards the rear of the vehicle? I could be wrong?  The ball joint should tilt towards the rear not the front? ( caster) The link says they are stamped left and right?  :dunno:
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #293 on: April 15, 2015 - 09:32:55 PM »
They are stamped L and R.  I just checked and they are on the correct side.  Who knows if all models are designed the same.  One thing I just remembered(that I don't like about them) is that there is no lip to lock the dust boot in place.  With the suspension hanging all the way down, the boot pulls away from the arm.(large gap) With the suspension up at ride height, the boot closes and seats nicely.  I can see a possible problem with keeping grease in there.  I hope it doesn't become a greasy mess.

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #294 on: April 15, 2015 - 09:36:29 PM »
Tonight I cut the notch in the shroud for the upper rad hose.  I'll bend a piece of scrap to be welded on the inside.



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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #295 on: April 15, 2015 - 09:48:50 PM »
They are stamped L and R.  I just checked and they are on the correct side.  Who knows if all models are designed the same.  One thing I just remembered(that I don't like about them) is that there is no lip to lock the dust boot in place.  With the suspension hanging all the way down, the boot pulls away from the arm.(large gap) With the suspension up at ride height, the boot closes and seats nicely.  I can see a possible problem with keeping grease in there.  I hope it doesn't become a greasy mess.

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Is there no lip at all or just too big for the stock boot? 
Shroud is looking good!  :clapping:
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #296 on: April 15, 2015 - 10:33:45 PM »
On a stock arm, the dust boot snaps over the outside of the UBJ and is held in place. On the SPC arm, the area where the UBJ screws in is thicker/deeper. The UBJ doesn't stick out of the arm very much. There isn't enough of the UBJ exposed to hold the boot. Did that make sense?

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #297 on: April 16, 2015 - 12:51:14 AM »
On a stock arm, the dust boot snaps over the outside of the UBJ and is held in place. On the SPC arm, the area where the UBJ screws in is thicker/deeper. The UBJ doesn't stick out of the arm very much. There isn't enough of the UBJ exposed to hold the boot. Did that make sense?

I think I understand what you mean. I was just wondering if another boot ( bigger) would work if there was enough of that bigger sleeve to get a boot onto it? When I search " ball joint boot" on Summit's site lots of options come up. I was thinking even if they had a taller boot so that when you bolted it all together it would compress keeping it sealed?
I'm using that screw in ball joint sleeve on my suspension project and I bought the Howe ball joint boot to try.
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

Offline tony 73

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #298 on: April 16, 2015 - 07:43:05 AM »
Nice job with the shroud, your fingers are now safe.

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Re: Look what followed me home today...
« Reply #299 on: August 06, 2015 - 09:44:47 AM »
Darren, it was great haning with you at Carlisle. Stoked that we had a part that you could use for the dart.
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