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Offline 1970 RT Challenger 1970

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Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« on: August 23, 2013 - 09:32:00 PM »
Saw it at Wal-Mart in a silver bottle.

Does it have enough ZDDP? And can you use it on the street and if so how many miles can you go between oil changes?

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2013 - 09:43:25 PM »
Use it in my race motor. I run alcohol so I change my oil often. Its synthetic so I would assume it should be a normal interval

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2013 - 09:48:56 PM »
the VR1 is a street oil and not a pure racing oil that they also sell (Non Street Legal-on the label and is made to be changed frequently unlike VR1).  As a street legal oil it will go whatever the manufacturers requirement is.  Most of the tests that I have seen has it around 1200 parts for both parts of zddp.  That is plenty for most normal street cam spring pressures.  I have been running it for years in my Buicks as well as my Challenger.

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013 - 09:50:03 PM »
VR-1 is not synthetic but they do make a synthetic under a different name :) Black bottle I think
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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2013 - 10:43:07 PM »
I,m running the vr-1 but don't like the 20/50 wt.  I change it once a year but only drive about 1200 miles.
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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2013 - 11:15:50 PM »
I'm using it , good oil.  :2thumbs:

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2013 - 11:33:06 PM »
Using it for many years now. 1200ppm

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013 - 12:45:57 AM »
I think 20-50wt is too heavy and robs horsepower.

Thats why you see engines in the EngineMasters competition use 0-20wt.
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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013 - 04:28:51 AM »
been using it for years...no complaints from me.
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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013 - 09:24:58 AM »
I think 20-50wt is too heavy and robs horsepower.

Thats why you see engines in the EngineMasters competition use 0-20wt.

Would not you think that the weight required might depend upon the clearances that the engine had built into it?  Engine Masters' engines are not made to go mile after mile on the street in a wide variety of conditions.  They are built to go a specific number of passes under very controlled conditions on a dyno.  They are more similar to a NASCAR engine that what most, here, have in their cars for the street.

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013 - 10:04:49 AM »
Would not you think that the weight required might depend upon the clearances that the engine had built into it?  Engine Masters' engines are not made to go mile after mile on the street in a wide variety of conditions.  They are built to go a specific number of passes under very controlled conditions on a dyno.  They are more similar to a NASCAR engine that what most, here, have in their cars for the street.

Yes, but using 20-50wt oil to maintain proper oil pressure, would indicate that clearances
were way off.  If you don't need 20-50wt, because your clearances are good, and your oil
pressure is good, I would not use it.  20-50wt would also give poor protection at startup, because
it would flow more slowly. I've been using 0 -30wt synthetic all summer on my 496, and everything seems fine.
The only thing different I noticed was on real hot days, my oil pressure was only about 50psi, when otherwise
it would be 60 - 65.
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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2013 - 10:13:22 AM »
I 1st used the vr1 10w-30 for break in and when it started to get super hot outside then switched to the vr1 20-50 , I will be switchin back to 10-30 when it starts getting real cold out around November- ish.

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013 - 11:10:50 AM »
Been using VR-1 for years. Of course buying a crap load when Advance had a great sale on it a few years ago didn't hurt.  :grinyes:   NIIKI's a warm weather car only... so not much concern to go lighter weight during cold weather....... jus' sayin'
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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013 - 11:26:44 AM »
Yes, but using 20-50wt oil to maintain proper oil pressure, would indicate that clearances
were way off.  If you don't need 20-50wt, because your clearances are good, and your oil
pressure is good, I would not use it.  20-50wt would also give poor protection at startup, because
it would flow more slowly. I've been using 0 -30wt synthetic all summer on my 496, and everything seems fine.
The only thing different I noticed was on real hot days, my oil pressure was only about 50psi, when otherwise
it would be 60 - 65.

There you go again!  :D  You are trying to use your engine as an example without telling us how it was built, how hot your climate is, what oil pump is in the motor, or what rpm you turn it to.  I recalled telling you that the light weight would be okay if your car maintained sufficient pressure at full throttle, maximum rpm, on a hot day.

For me, that would be a bit over 6000 rpm at 100+ degs.  For you, it is probably something different.

If you look at the factory clearances and the factory suggested oil weights, you can pretty quickly determine why they spec'd the weight they did.

There are probably quite a few with these cars that have factory clearances because they have not rebuilt their engines or, if they did, the machine shop looked at the books and built them that way.  If they put a hv pump on the engine, then they flow more oil which should produce a higher pressure with all factors being the same.

Engine building has all to do about it.  If one has tight clearances, then with a given pump, one should have more pressure on a given oil.  If one radiuses the oil passages, then flow increases and pressure drops IF the clearances are large and the pump does not have the volume capability to supply what the internal engine can move.

A 10-40 oil, on a cold start, should flow the same amount oil as a 10-30, but a bit less than a 0-30 unless the ambient temperature is below zero.

On an engine with strong valve springs, the pressure will try to force oil back out of a hydraulic lifter faster with a light weight oil than it will with a heavier oil because the heavier oil will resist moving out of the orifice in the lifter as compared to the lighter oil.  In general, a light oil will drain down off the surfaces of the engine faster than a thicker oil.  This should not be translated into thinking that I just said a thin oil protects less than a thicker oil.  Good oils leave a film behind for months and months.   Given that there is not a lot of load at start up unless one like to blip the throttle a lot, a few ticking lifters is not a sign of a problem  if it last a few seconds and it may be that a thicker oil to some degree may actually reduce this because not as much got pushed out of the lifter in the given amount of time.

In the end, oil weight should be determined by the engine, ambient conditions and intended use.

No doubt in my mind that a lot of people run 20-50 because they think 100 psi of oil pressure is better than 60 psi on their 5000 rpm engine that has not seen more than 4000 rpm in three years.

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Re: Anyone use Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing Oil?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013 - 07:03:23 PM »
There you go again!  :D  You are trying to use your engine as an example without telling us how it was built, how hot your climate is, what oil pump is in the motor, or what rpm you turn it to.  I recalled telling you that the light weight would be okay if your car maintained sufficient pressure at full throttle, maximum rpm, on a hot day.

For me, that would be a bit over 6000 rpm at 100+ degs.  For you, it is probably something different.

If you look at the factory clearances and the factory suggested oil weights, you can pretty quickly determine why they spec'd the weight they did.

There are probably quite a few with these cars that have factory clearances because they have not rebuilt their engines or, if they did, the machine shop looked at the books and built them that way.  If they put a hv pump on the engine, then they flow more oil which should produce a higher pressure with all factors being the same.

Engine building has all to do about it.  If one has tight clearances, then with a given pump, one should have more pressure on a given oil.  If one radiuses the oil passages, then flow increases and pressure drops IF the clearances are large and the pump does not have the volume capability to supply what the internal engine can move.

A 10-40 oil, on a cold start, should flow the same amount oil as a 10-30, but a bit less than a 0-30 unless the ambient temperature is below zero.

On an engine with strong valve springs, the pressure will try to force oil back out of a hydraulic lifter faster with a light weight oil than it will with a heavier oil because the heavier oil will resist moving out of the orifice in the lifter as compared to the lighter oil.  In general, a light oil will drain down off the surfaces of the engine faster than a thicker oil.  This should not be translated into thinking that I just said a thin oil protects less than a thicker oil.  Good oils leave a film behind for months and months.   Given that there is not a lot of load at start up unless one like to blip the throttle a lot, a few ticking lifters is not a sign of a problem  if it last a few seconds and it may be that a thicker oil to some degree may actually reduce this because not as much got pushed out of the lifter in the given amount of time.

In the end, oil weight should be determined by the engine, ambient conditions and intended use.

No doubt in my mind that a lot of people run 20-50 because they think 100 psi of oil pressure is better than 60 psi on their 5000 rpm engine that has not seen more than 4000 rpm in three years.

Well, I would suspect that 95% of people that run 20-50wt oil do not really need to, but instead think
that they are getting more protection. They could probably be fine with 5-30wt synthetic, and would get
better engine wear protection, and make more horsepower.
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1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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