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Hiding the Orange Box
« on: August 25, 2013 - 09:18:06 PM »
I would like to go electronic ignition yet try and keep it somewhat original looking in my engine compartment.
 
Some here can probably agree that the Orange box looks hideous on the firewall.
It just takes away from the rest of the engine compartment looks. Like having a green battery.

Pictures?
Suggestions on where to re locate?
What you did to keep a clean look?
How you kept the re wiring clean and not cluttered?
Mike, Fremont, CA.





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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2013 - 09:20:36 PM »
Installed it under the dash on my AAR.
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2013 - 09:52:00 PM »
Under the battery tray is common as well   :2thumbs:

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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2013 - 10:33:13 PM »
Under the battery seems like a good spot but you would have to lengthen four wires quite a bit compared to under the dash option.
If I were you I would hide a chrome box not an orange box. :2cents:
Actually, I would hide an MSD box and get rid of the "old tech" and ballast resisitor all together, but that's just me.  :blah:
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013 - 10:50:25 PM »
Under the battery seems like a good spot but you would have to lengthen four wires quite a bit compared to under the dash option.
If I were you I would hide a chrome box not an orange box. :2cents:
Actually, I would hide an MSD box and get rid of the "old tech" and ballast resisitor all together, but that's just me.  :blah:


I disagree.
On a Hemi engine:

MSD shouldn't be a necessity. Only if I was at a very high compression.
Multiple spark discharge is a "spray pattern" of voltage.
Hemi's don't have a quench area as much where MSD may be more needed.

Once the spark is fired; the domino effect of energy transfer has begun.
You can't speed it up anymore than the speed of light.

While you may think that it would create more power, it really won't make much difference.

The spark plug wires are the key to getting the most voltage to the spark plug.
The compression stroke interval is the key to how much voltage is fired.

You could have 1 million volts to the spark plug. But in the end; the compression will create resistance to how much voltage can allowed to pass thru the wires to the spark plug. That ends up making the voltage flow in the wires a limitatating factor. Good wires are the key. I'm running Firecore. Can't get better than that.  :2cents:

Anyway, let's get back to my subject now.
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2013 - 11:06:36 PM »

    I mounted a chrome box behind the headlights on the pass. side, it is out side of the engine compartment in the cool air & you don't have to lengthen any wires. You can drill two holes from inside of the wheel house to mount it

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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013 - 11:13:20 PM »
    I mounted a chrome box behind the headlights on the pass. side, it is out side of the engine compartment in the cool air & you don't have to lengthen any wires. You can drill two holes from inside of the wheel house to mount it

     :wavingflag:

I like that idea. closest to the source it sounds like.
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013 - 11:16:09 PM »
While were on this subject:

what differences between chrome box vs. orange box?
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2013 - 11:27:23 PM »
Comes down to switching speed and accuracy of the ECU.
Orange ecu's used to be very failure prone. Don't hear so much about that anymore though. Maybe better quality control?
Chrome will maintain accuracy better than the orange through a higher rpm range.
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2013 - 11:32:09 PM »

Once the spark is fired; the domino effect of energy transfer has begun.
You can't speed it up anymore than the speed of light.

While you may think that it would create more power, it really won't make much difference.
IF the initial spark actually ignites the fuel-air mixture. I noticed a huge difference in my 440. Both in idle and low end power.
Not trying to make you buy an MSD Mike, just tossing out my opinion.   :cheers:
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2013 - 11:45:46 PM »
IF the initial spark actually ignites the fuel-air mixture. I noticed a huge difference in my 440. Both in idle and low end power.
Not trying to make you buy an MSD Mike, just tossing out my opinion.   :cheers:

Voltage to the spark plug fired is the mission. Agreed?
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013 - 06:37:27 AM »
MSD quits multi sparking @ about 3000 rpm where the powerband starts kinda usless IMO . Yes better spark at the plug is the mission so better coil & accurate switching is the mission , I would look at the Rev-N-Ator personally
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2013 - 09:27:30 AM »
TC, how does compression create resistance to how much voltage can be allowed to pass through the wires to the plug?
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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2013 - 11:43:32 AM »
TC, how does compression create resistance to how much voltage can be allowed to pass through the wires to the plug?


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Re: Hiding the Orange Box
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2013 - 11:54:27 AM »
My buddy that works at Mancini's tells me that if someone comes up with an orange box, just give them another  . . . no receipt required with that.   

That tells ya something!  They always demand the receipt he says . . . .