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Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« on: October 03, 2013 - 03:12:22 PM »
This idea came to me after using jug after jug of Evapo-rust and thinking to myself.

"How did these guys make this and make it non-toxic so I can pour it down my drain?"

Well long story short I found out about some magical acids that can do exactly the same thing at a fraction of the cost.

Evapo-rust is about $23 bucks and as high as $29 bucks at certain locations.

Let's get started with the experiment.....
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013 - 03:15:14 PM »

Two nuts off some side window fixtures.

Both pretty rusty eh?

Btw, the first one is the nut that I will put into the evapo-rust solution while the second gets the secret solution.
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013 - 03:16:05 PM »

Here they both are sitting in their solution.

They will sit for one full day then be pulled out and washed off.
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013 - 03:17:47 PM »

And the results!!!

Evapo-rust did really well - as it should, while the secret solution did pretty darn well too.

Again, evapo-rust results are the first picture while the second is the secret sauce.
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013 - 03:40:31 PM »

I believe if I left the nut in the secret sauce a bit longer it would have turned out just as well. I like to put items in a large bucket or small depending on the piece and I get to forget about it for awhile. Let the little gremlins work while I'm doing other things.

For really nasty rust with the secret sauce I will use a nylon brush on the metal while washing it off and it comes off just like dirt.

To give you an example, the bottom of this window rail was completely rusted before I put it in the secret solution.

The bottom picture shows the type of rust that was on there.

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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013 - 03:43:35 PM »

And now the downside with the secret sauce.

1) There is a smell that goes with the combinations of acids and rust which isn't super pleasant and it will transfer to your skin so I would recommend using gloves if you don't want to wash your hands 23 times to get it off.
2) Sometimes you will have to leave the item in longer to get the same result as evapo-rust
3) If you do not dry the item off after pulling it out, it will get surface rust all over again. So dry the item and then use a blocker like evapo-rust blocker. It does not last forever but in the short term it will keep your item from surface rusting after all your hard work to get rid of it.
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013 - 04:21:38 PM »
So do you tell us what the secrect is, or do we just guess ?

I've been using muratic acid for years now with great results.... :dunno:
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013 - 04:53:46 PM »
Not trying to be the "green Police" here but do keep in mind that the product may be biodegradable and drain friendly, but
the metals and oils that it removes are still a no no to put down the drain. Same goes with the muriatic acid and the base metal it
removes as well. Best to let it sit and evaporate. What is the magic formula by the way?
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013 - 04:54:05 PM »
Yes, need the recipe to make our own Big Macs :)

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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013 - 05:03:00 PM »
Any acid will work just fine. I've used Phosphoric acid (very fast when heated), Citric acid (good cheap and friendly stuff when you are not in a hurry) and vinegar (works ok, smells nasty).

Phosphoric acid is great stuff because it creates a phosphate layer on the metal surfaces after the rust is gone. This layer offers somewhat ok resistance for rusting and these rarely develope flash rust after the part has been rinsed and dried.

Citric acid can be found from farm stores as a mild citric acid solution is used to cure diarhea on porks. It's also very cheap and you can pour it to the sewer. It's a bit slow to act but heat will increase the "power". Typically roughly one day in citric acid (~5% solution) is good enough for most parts. Just scrub the part once of twice with wire brush during the "treatment". One bigger downside with the citric acid treated parts is the fact that those flash rust quite fast and easily after rinsing with water. One fix for this is to neutralize the parts in a baking powder solution. This seems to help quite a lot with the rust issue.

Vinegar works about the same a citric acid but smell like crap. It also seems to have sligtly worse flash rust behaviour.

So in a short, I like to use phosphoric acid because it creates the phosphate layer on the parts and is not that sensitive to the rinsing. For larger parts I use citric acid because I can make gallons of solution with quite modest costs.
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013 - 08:50:08 PM »
Phosphoric acid is great stuff . . .

+1 for phosphoric acid. One of the main ingredients in Coca-Cola (read them labels!) and can buy it by the gallon at Home Depot, Lowes, etc.

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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013 - 09:18:04 PM »

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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013 - 09:21:05 PM »

And the winner is!!!!
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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013 - 09:23:22 PM »

Citric acid which can also be bought in powder form is a good rust remover. But you have to follow what I stated above to keep the rust off.

At $2.50 a bottle it does one heck of a job and you can pour it down the drain.

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Re: Evaporust vs Homemade solution
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013 - 11:14:59 AM »
Citric acid which can also be bought in powder form is a good rust remover. But you have to follow what I stated above to keep the rust off.

At $2.50 a bottle it does one heck of a job and you can pour it down the drain.

Sonowyaknow,

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and you can take a sip if the thirst attacks during the rust removal  :icon16:
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