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oil coolers
« on: November 14, 2013 - 10:10:54 AM »
What are your thoughts on external oil coolers, are they good or bad. My thinking is cooler oil means more viscosity which means less metal to metal contact. Any thoughts? Never used one.
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2013 - 10:58:39 AM »
A lot of heat is removed from the engine through the oil , nothing else touches the pistons , valve springs which get very hot & the cam & lifters so yes they are a good thing , I think furd has an adapter that screws on between the filter & mount & has a water line in & out

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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013 - 01:16:07 PM »
GM used the adapter with hoses running to a oil cooler in front of the radiator. Seemed to work fine... till the oil
sludged up the hoses. Not sure if this was caused by poor oil change maintenance  or the change of oil temp after the
cooler. Either way, it's at least an option.
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013 - 05:54:24 PM »
I installed a Nascar take off oil cooler in my old Buick 455 Regal. It worked so well I thought the oil temp gauge was broken and replaced it. I ended up blocking airflow about 90% before the gauge would even begin to move.  On the street I don't think you would see the benefits like you would on a road race car or circle track car that's always at the redline. Engine oil on a street driven car most of the time does not get hot enough to justify a cooler.
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013 - 07:38:17 PM »
for oil to work best, it needs to be hot.
unless you had a race car doing multiple laps above
100 mph, you should not need an oil cooler. I have a 7 qt
pan on my 496, with an oil temp gauge. Even in summer,
can't get oil much above 160 degrees. I do use
synthetic oil, so it will run a little cooler than conventional
oil.

on the other hand, a high efficiency tranny cooler is a must
for my car.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013 - 07:42:17 PM by cudabob496 »
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013 - 07:54:24 PM »
I actually made a different thread on the gauge section about the value of an oil temp. gauge, since this thread has gravitated that direction what is the value of an oil temp gauge when you are already running a water temp gauge? I do not have a water temp gauge on my newly rebuilt 440, I was going to rely on the stock in dash temp gauge. So I had it running yesterday (after getting it unflooded and timed). The stock water temp. gauge read normal but my oil temp gauge read about 195* and the upper radiator hose was pretty stiff, leading me to believe the water gauge was inaccurate and the motor was getting hotter than it should be, so I shut it down. So what is a normal oil temperature?
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013 - 09:05:46 PM »
for oil to work best, it needs to be hot.
unless you had a race car doing multiple laps above
100 mph, you should not need an oil cooler. I have a 7 qt
pan on my 496, with an oil temp gauge. Even in summer,
can't get oil much above 160 degrees. I do use
synthetic oil, so it will run a little cooler than conventional
oil.

on the other hand, a high efficiency tranny cooler is a must
for my car.


A reason for running a 7 qt. pan is to allow the oil to cool off. The oil galley's can only hold so much, and the rest is cooling off in the pan. And General Motors must have thought there was a reason to run oil coolers on a lot of their vehicles
in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Just sayin.
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013 - 09:29:08 PM »
oil tempis usually a bit higher than water temp , if the upper rad hose was hard the system pressurized which is good , the coolant should be 180-200* depending on the htermostat

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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013 - 10:30:28 PM »
for oil to work best, it needs to be hot.
unless you had a race car doing multiple laps above
100 mph, you should not need an oil cooler. I have a 7 qt
pan on my 496, with an oil temp gauge. Even in summer,
can't get oil much above 160 degrees. I do use
synthetic oil, so it will run a little cooler than conventional
oil.

on the other hand, a high efficiency tranny cooler is a must
for my car.
160 oil temp is nothing to worry about, sustained 250-280 then maybe a cooler is warranted  IMO
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013 - 12:57:12 AM »
I actually made a different thread on the gauge section about the value of an oil temp. gauge, since this thread has gravitated that direction what is the value of an oil temp gauge when you are already running a water temp gauge? I do not have a water temp gauge on my newly rebuilt 440, I was going to rely on the stock in dash temp gauge. So I had it running yesterday (after getting it unflooded and timed). The stock water temp. gauge read normal but my oil temp gauge read about 195* and the upper radiator hose was pretty stiff, leading me to believe the water gauge was inaccurate and the motor was getting hotter than it should be, so I shut it down. So what is a normal oil temperature?

I'm use to sitting in the engineering control room of a nuclear submarine, and having hundreds of gauges in front of me, so
that could be my affinity for gauges. Of course, in a submarine, having something go wrong and not responding quick enough
could get you squished at 10,000 feet. The oil temp gauge on my Cuda taps into the drain plug on my oil pan. I even have a temp
gauge on my differential.  And, of course, recently, an air/fuel ratio meter. All these gauges help me know whats going on in the car,
and alert to any problems.  I guess I hate problems sneaking up on me, and then having something break before I have a chance to fix it.
I have a 7 quart pan, but deliberately run 1 quart low.  An oil temp gauge could alert to various problems, such as low oil level, or it can help
you know when your oil is hot enough, before deciding to race the motor. You might think water temp is enough to monitor, but
sometimes gauges break/stick, etc.

All my gauges may be a little overkill, but I wish I had a low oil pressure light (which I do now), when I burped a lifter
and oil pressure immediately went to 0 psi. Drove for a couple of miles with no oil pressure. Synthetic oil saved my bacon in
that instance, I think.

And, I admit, sometimes I install a gauge for something to do in the winter!
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013 - 01:14:21 AM »
... <snip> ...

And, I admit, sometimes I install a gauge for something to do in the winter!

I'd love to see a picture of how your gauges look in the car...   :picture:
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013 - 03:08:25 AM »
I'd love to see a picture of how your gauges look in the car...   :picture:

I'll take one and post it.  One good thing about a lot of gauges, is after a few years, you are use to seeing every
needle in a certain position, so if something does change, your eye usually notices it right away.
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013 - 09:53:21 PM »
Oh, My, God Bob, that must be what the inside of a sub or fighter jet looks like. As to the original question, my opinion would be don't worry about an oil cooler on a mildly used street machine. Unless your engine is seeing oil temps over 250 degrees, (and it won't under normal use) you are wasting your money. Unless you live in the desert and abuse your motor, it is not needed. If you live in a cooler climate, and put a cooler on, you may not get enough heat in your oil to circulate and do it's job properly. Bottom line, spend the $s elsewhere. :2cents:
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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2013 - 10:27:21 PM »
Oh, My, God Bob, that must be what the inside of a sub or fighter jet looks like. As to the original question, my opinion would be don't worry about an oil cooler on a mildly used street machine. Unless your engine is seeing oil temps over 250 degrees, (and it won't under normal use) you are wasting your money. Unless you live in the desert and abuse your motor, it is not needed. If you live in a cooler climate, and put a cooler on, you may not get enough heat in your oil to circulate and do it's job properly. Bottom line, spend the $s elsewhere. :2cents:

I did ride in a Navy jet once. Maybe I'm trying to recreate the experience. I am gonna install the $10 glass gas filter, in the pcv line, just
to see if I am using any oil there. I do use more oil than normal, and figured it was due to a rear main seal leak, and the fact that my
JE pistons use the thinner rings. We shall see!
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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Re: oil coolers
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013 - 10:19:53 PM »
Holy crap...  that's an engineer's dash all right!  :)

I don't even understand half of what you're measuring...

What's next?   

Thanks for posting the pic.
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