Author Topic: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye  (Read 9193 times)

Offline jiminnj

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Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« on: November 15, 2013 - 11:04:54 AM »
  This 73 rides like a stiff truck, It was suggested I post  on this suspension site.
The car had a 318 now 360 The tires Frt P215/65 R15 rear P255/60 SR15 TA BF Goodrich, shocks
Frt standard original, rear now Air shocks, Pinion snubber is stock in good shape although its only 1/2" clearance from the body and show's signs of hitting the body. The leaf springs look ok hangers look good, the front end of spring is on the bottom hole of the hanger, there is another hole up on this hanger. The ride height from the ground up is 9" to the bottom of front fender & 10 " to the bottom of to rear fender. The front sway bar is 3/4 ' or 7/8 " All the links and bushings look ok I've own a lot of cars Not 79 to 74 Dodge's and never had a car ride like a mac truck. any help would be great.  Jim

 




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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013 - 11:50:00 AM »
2 things to look at first you should have more than 1 " of travel between the body & snubber , sounds like the car is sitting level so why the the bumper is that close I am not sure I would look into gaining more clearance there by modifying the snubber or .......
The second is the shocks , air shocks suck , often even just regular shocks like KYB give an extremely firm ride , I would look at replacing them with a Quality shock like I Bilstein or QA1 or even an adjustable shock .
 Better tires may help the ride as well , BFG is not a quality tire
 

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013 - 01:51:30 PM »
Thanks  I also wandered why the front end doesn't seem to have any give, it's very stiff and doesn't take even small bumps well, should it be this stiff ?

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013 - 01:53:23 PM »
I doubt it has 1.22" torsion bars in it so no it should not be that still but the shocks alone can do that

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2013 - 10:09:27 AM »
I agree with CP, your snubber definetly needs more room than 1/2" of travel. In a normal drive down the street, you are going to need more travel than that, so I'd bet it is bottoming out. Try removing it and see if that improves the ride. It is only a few bolts to take it off.

Similarly, I bet your have inadequate travel in the front as well. You didn't say what size your torsion bars are (they are the springs that hold the front end up) but with teh stock sway bar and stock style shocks, I doubt our t-bars are oversized and they are probably stock as well, ie, they should ride pretty softly, so I suspect you are bottoming them out.

Mopar ride height is not measured at the fender lips. Up front, it is measured on the lower control arm.  Odds are it is not stock height at all. When set to factory specs, many Challengers appear to be nose high. If yours is level, it would tend to suggest the nose has been dropped. If your rear springs are original, they are probably worn, whch reduces height, which means if the front was lowered, it is way beyond where it should be for travel.  Look at the space between the lower control arm bumper and the frame. This should be very telling. If its an inch or less, or if the bumper is fragged, you don't have enough travel.  The good news is you can gain this back pretty  easily be turning up the t-bar, but if your overall ride height changes more than 1-.5", then you will also need a new alignment.

FWIW, to find the ride height you are at, you want your car on a level surface. Measure from the floor to the t-bar socket. This is "A". Now measure from the floor to the lower ball joint. This is "B".  Subtract B from A, this is your ride height. Measurement A should be 1 7/8" higher than measurement B for a stock ride height. Most guys tend to lwoer their cars down a little bit, but if yu go too far, then you run into inadequate travel that creates this tye of problem.

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2013 - 12:58:14 PM »
You can also trim the bumpers to gain a bit of travel , i love the cars set low BTW

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013 - 03:04:22 PM »
Well if I measured correct 'B' Ball joint to floor is 8 1/2"   A is 11 1/2"  that is 3' difference
The bumper to frame is 2"  give or take a fraction. The bumper does look like it hits more on Drive side than pass side. The rear springs look ok the hangers are not beat up, the rear does sit high
The P255/60 SR15 tire is 25 1/2" high and the fender of the floor ( 4 post lift ) is 25" not much room for the back to come down,

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013 - 05:17:32 PM »
Something doesn't add up. If you height from the ground to rocker panel height is 9 and 10, your car sits very, very low. If the space for travel on the lower arm is 2", you are only kind of low.  If the above measurements from the picture result in 3+ inches, you should be riding sky high like a gasser.

Are you sure your measuring the bumper on the lower control arm, or the one on the frame under the upper control arm? As low as your initial measurements to the rocker panel is, I'd tend to think this dimension is under the upper arm and your lower arm bumpers are riding on the frame.

Your torsion bars could be all worn out. They could be light weight, skinny six cylinders version for drag racing. But your comment about the front being very rigid doesn't lend itself to either of these scenarios. It sounds like it has been adjusted down and is riding on its bumpers.

Any chance of taking a picture and posting?

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013 - 08:49:13 PM »
Something doesn't add up. If you height from the ground to rocker panel height is 9 and 10, your car sits very, very low.

Any chance of taking a picture and posting?
My car sits 8 and 9. I had to exchange the factory front bumpers for energy suspension .625 bumpers. The originals were almost touching. They were 1/8" from touching. So I don't think you are riding on them, but you probably are hitting them with every bump. :2cents:
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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013 - 07:42:46 PM »
My car sits 8 and 9. I had to exchange the factory front bumpers for energy suspension .625 bumpers. The originals were almost touching. They were 1/8" from touching. So I don't think you are riding on them, but you probably are hitting them with every bump. :2cents:
I'll take pic Tues and see if I can add  them.  And Thanks for all your response. Jim

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013 - 10:24:33 AM »
I'll take pic Tues and see if I can add  them.  And Thanks for all your response. Jim
I took Pic and tried to post them but they wouldn't go thru, too large, I tried just the one of
the car sitting level and showed the height at 9" frt and 10" back on the rocker panel. I guess
I will waittill spring and change the shocks . Take the Air shocks in back off, and use the one's
that are original, right now the front shock's are Doetsch shocks I'll change them out also.
 Thanks for all the info I'll stay on the site its very interesting.    Jim

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013 - 12:50:19 PM »
Free site to resize pics, very easy to use:

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013 - 10:57:09 AM »
Air shocks certainly aren't the greatest things made, but at your ride height I doubt they have much pressure in them. They usually have to have a good amount of pressure to make them ride rough.

Doetsch is a good shock, for off road trucks. They do make shorter stroke shocks with the bayonet and eye mounts that could be fitted to the front of a Challenger. However, depending on what product line you have, it could be topping out, bottoming out, or simply have too much gas pressure for the weight of your car. Just because it fits doesn't mean its right. The 1800# on the nose of your Challenger may be light weight compared to the 2400# on the nose of a truck using the same shock.

I'd be most interested in seeing a picture of the lower control arm, with the car sitting normal. Possibley turn the wheel to extreme lock to one side and shoot a photo inside the well of how everything sits.  Like dodj says, at your ride height it is possible the car is almost on the bumpers and the slightest bump jams them into the frame, producing the rough ride.

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013 - 04:34:11 PM »
Mine rides really rough too.  I had 3/8" clearance between the LCA bumper and the frame.  If you set the ride height to factory spec, the front end will be WAY up in the air.  I set mine so the car looked like it did in an original 1973 picture I have of the car.  I also have a very bad rattle coming from the RF.  The LCA bumpers were hitting the frame so I took them off and installed 1/2" tall ones.  There was NO change...still rides rough and the rattle is still there...everything seems tight in the front end.

Do you have stock rubber bushings or poly bushings?  I think most of my problem is poly bushings and bias ply tires.  I might have to tear the front end back apart and put rubber bushings back in...the tires are staying.

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Re: Harsh riding 73 Challenger Ralleye
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013 - 07:20:31 PM »
Air shocks certainly aren't the greatest things made, but at your ride height I doubt they have much pressure in them. They usually have to have a good amount of pressure to make them ride rough.

Doetsch is a good shock, for off road trucks. They do make shorter stroke shocks with the bayonet and eye mounts that could be fitted to the front of a Challenger. However, depending on what product line you have, it could be topping out, bottoming out, or simply have too much gas pressure for the weight of your car. Just because it fits doesn't mean its right. The 1800# on the nose of your Challenger may be light weight compared to the 2400# on the nose of a truck using the same shock.

I'd be most interested in seeing a picture of the lower control arm, with the car sitting normal. Possibley turn the wheel to extreme lock to one side and shoot a photo inside the well of how everything sits.  Like dodj says, at your ride height it is possible the car is almost on the bumpers and the slightest bump jams them into the frame, producing the rough ride.
I will try again with the pic.  I tried to resize them the other day and they would not go trough I'll retake with a different camera setting and send again.  Thanks