Author Topic: Looking at Purchasing a 70 440 six pack Cuda but there are issues......... (Read 4083 times)

mrcuda · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2005 - 09:45:15 AM »

If you are asking these questions Fabman, then you already know the answer. Problem you're going to have is if you go to resell this car. If you get one of the members form this site show up and look at this car with the knowledge that we have learned here, you could be highly disappointed.I would let the owner know my concerns if we were already in negotiations, so this person could not say they did not know.�What happens if any of those vins are stolen? :dontknow: Or the vehicles concerned were salvaged? :dontknow: Does the� person who knows this information have a civic duty to say something to the� proper authorities? :dontknow: This could potentially save another unsuspecting "Mopar Good Guy" alot of heartache.Just my 2cents.

cudahob · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2005 - 10:20:33 AM »

Knowledge is power, power not to make a bad decision. It shouldn't be that hard to find out what it is.

I take an open mind about it, lets see what you got attitude. Then low ball the heck out of the owner.� :laughing:

Win win.� :thumbs:

GoMango · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2005 - 07:03:08 PM »

Oops, sorry about the trunk vin

Barry is absolutly right about E-bodies not having it (I was thinking both of mine had it, but just my Coronet does)

Thanks for keeping me in line and not leading Fabman in the wrong direction

Mr. 6pak2go · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2005 - 07:14:56 PM »

Hey the engine block has no numbers on it!? Right ? Sounds to me like a reproduction block!! mopar performance makes them but they do not stamp them!! sounds to me like its has been wrecked put back together with a parts car and a aftermarket block! just my 2 cents!

Fabman · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2005 - 05:42:55 AM »

Great information / feedback from all of yous...but know one has really givin me any info on how to deal w/ the fact that - The Dash Vin is different from the Rad support and the cowl Vin. The Cowl Vin is so rusted out that it is impossible to make out any digets except for the first two and the last one. This VIN might match the rad support.

So ...how does one deal w/ a car like this. Is it "A goner" meaning never to hit the street again, or is there something that can be done to save her? I REALLY HATE to let her sit and get parted out.....because it cant be legally titled.

I am still not sure what the Torque boxes or the skid plate at the K member looks like.....any help here?

whitesatinmopar · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2005 - 09:01:02 AM »

If it can't be legally titled as you say, I'd say there are about two options: A parts car.........or a strip project, like to drag race?� :dontknow:

But I got a legal title for WSM after an inspection at a regional Highway Patrol station, the car had been totaled by the insurance co. and only had the salvage title so I obviously had paperwork to verify that. I purchased a 360 out of a Super Coupe and had the owner sign a statement that the car came from a parts car with that vin #, so far so good. Now it get's interesting, it turns out the engine was a warrenty replacement, and the only numbers stamped on it were the last numbers of the vin, and it was plain that they had been hand stamped one by one. But because of having this paperwork and the car had all of it's original sheetmetal (except drivers rear quarter) the car passed inspection and I got a legal title. But I was nervious as a cat, I really don't know what I'd done if after spending a few thousand on the resto and not been able to get a title, but throughout the process I kept verfiying the progress with the patrol post. Good luck and don't give up just yet ! :thumbs:

loco340cuda · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2005 - 10:41:51 AM »

Here is what I would do if it were me buying this car. First I would verify the radiator support VIN matchs the cowl VIN? If I could read a few digits as you mentioned and they matched up I would assume for the moment that both the VIN's (rad and cowl) match. Next I would verify that that VIN was for a 70 440 6 pack car, if it isn't then the deal is off, if it is, then I would verify that VIN aganist the VIN on the Title. If the rad and cowl VIN did not match the Title the deal is off, if it did then I would consider negoitating with the seller.

If I could not verify the rad and cowl VIN matched or the cowl and dash matched then I would walk away. Hope it works out for you, I know how hard it is to walk away from a Cuda as I have done it before.

Good luck.

Fabman · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2005 - 10:55:14 AM »

loco340cuda

As stated....the rad support is readable, the cowl is almost non existand except for the first two letters and the last number....so I have to assume they match. The DASH is the problem.
How would one go about figuring out if the rad support vin is a six pack car??? there not enough info there.

Some one earlier stated to look for Torque boxes at the rear leaf springs and a K member skid plate....but I am unsure of what they look like. Do the Callenger T/A's have these items??

loco340cuda · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2005 - 11:22:48 AM »

Fabman,

Maybe you mentioned this and I missed it, which VIN does the title match. Unless someone has gone though a lot of trouble and in this case I doubt since the cowl is rusted then I would say the rad and cowl support are the real VIN for the car, due to dashs are easy to switch out but rad support and cowl are are much more work.

So it all comes down to what VIN is on the title. If the title matchs the dash tag then I would say, walk away, since the VIN on the body which is most likely the real vin doesn't match the title which says you are not getting what you think you are getting.

On the other hand if the VIN on the rad and cowl match the Title then you have the full VIN and can verify from there what this car really is. So I would start by getting the title on the VIN once you know this information then you can quickly make a decision on what to do.

Fabman · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2005 - 11:24:55 AM »

Title matches Dash

:eekbig:

Pistol Gripper · « **Reply #25 on:** April 12, 2005 - 12:06:55 PM »

Fabman,

Here's a pic of the boxes. Looks like the rears are attached to the rails and floors in the second photo.

http://www.surprisegarage.com/e%20body%20torque%20boxes.htm

Hope this gives you an idea what to look for.

P.G.

MoparMan440 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 12, 2005 - 01:05:46 PM »

Fabman yes the T/A's also have torque boxes.

Fabman · « **Reply #27 on:** April 12, 2005 - 02:38:04 PM »

PistolGripper and MoparMan440-

Thanks for the torque box info !!! I appreciate it......

:worship:

hemi71 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 12, 2005 - 05:43:25 PM »

Fab...what you more than likely have here is a re-bodied car. Now if the title matches the VIn plate on the dash...in a lot of states you will be able to title the car without problems. Most places don't check the body numbers if the title and vin plate match. you'd have to check with your state. How is the VIN plate attached to the dash pad? Does it have the rosette rivets? You can purchase them if it does not. The problem with this car is if you ever decide to sell it, you cannot advertise it as a V code car. You would have to make full disclosure to the buyer, and it's a grey area at best when dealing with these cars. I'd say the value of this car is like a 318 car that was converted to a 440-6...sort of like a clone car, but with the 440-6 VIN.

I've seen cars where NONE of the body stampings match....can happen if the car was hit hard at one time, totalled, then rebuilt. New radiator support, replaced cowl, and the VIN is from a car that was not totalled. all kinds of stuff can go on thru the years.

Now if you plan to make this car a "Keeper"...as long as you get it for a bargain price...you might not be too bad off. Just make sure you can title it in your state, and DO NOT try to misrepresent the car as a real 440-6 car if you should decide to sell it ever....anybody with any Mopar knowledge will sniff it out in a second. I would not pay 440-6 money for this car in any way...consider it a 318 car when arriving at a $$ number.

You can get a fender tag and a door vin decal made up for it..the door vin decal and fender tag are not considered any type of VIN documentation..only the dash VIN plate and the body stampings are. Again, I'll caution you it is a federal offense to alter a car's VIN ID for the purpose of defrauding someone.

GoMango · « **Reply #29 on:** April 12, 2005 - 09:29:49 PM »

PG, thanks for getting him those pics! I just got home and was going to post some pics (I'm slackin on the job :laughing:)

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