Author Topic: Trying to learn about 440  (Read 1207 times)

Offline blown motor

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3013
Trying to learn about 440
« on: April 15, 2014 - 03:09:09 PM »
What makes a 440 a Magnum 440? How can I tell it from a non-magnum? I'm looking at a car in which the 440 is not original. I don't know enough about how engines were built for different applications and don't want to end up with something that is not well suited for a muscle car. The seller just said it came out of a Chrysler but didn't say what, I have to quiz him some more on that. Can somebody help me out here?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2014 - 05:36:58 PM by blown motor »
In search of the eternal buzz!




Offline arcticmopar

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 429
  • Yukon Canada
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2014 - 08:31:22 PM »
If your just looking for a block to build a stroker from then not much. The magnums had better,comp. cams, springs and such for more power but the block,heads didnt change from Magnum to non Magnums. The heads did change over the years with the late 50s-early 60's not being as popular.
RUNS WHITH SISSORS!  and  DIGITALY CHALLENGED!

Offline cudabob496

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 8024
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2014 - 10:25:14 PM »
I think the term Magnum became prevalent in the late 70's, to describe a series
of Dodge small blocks.
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

Offline brads70

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 18747
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2014 - 10:41:01 PM »
I think the term Magnum became prevalent in the late 70's, to describe a series
of Dodge small blocks.

I think Dodge used the name Magnum and Plymouth used commando.  A 440 core motor is usually about 400-500 around here? Paid 250 for my 400 complete but scrapped everything except the block
« Last Edit: April 16, 2014 - 10:43:06 PM by brads70 »
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

Offline 72cudamaan

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3248
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014 - 07:30:41 AM »
I think the term Magnum became prevalent in the late 70's, to describe a series
of Dodge small blocks.

Except for all the big blocks that were called magnums in the late 60's and early 70's
If I cant fix it, it's broke
 
Andy  (phukker whither)

Offline Moparal

  • Permanent Resident
  • *******
  • Posts: 13085
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014 - 12:21:03 PM »
Look for a big cast rectangle on the right side of the distributor  It will be on top in front of the intake valley pan rail, it will have some numbers and letter on it. Right it down as you see them and post it here.  a letter will be a b c d e f g h   c is 67 d is 68 e is 69 f is 70 g is 71 h is 72  If it was an hp engine, then it would have like


f440 

              HP
         



Offline blown motor

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3013
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014 - 04:23:30 PM »
Saw the car yesterday but we couldn't get it running so I backed away. On the way home we stopped at a restoration shop and they had a Challenger in there with a 440 and I saw what I think is the pad you are referring to. There was nothing stamped in it. I aked the guys at the shop about it and nobody had heard of such a thing.  :dunno:
In search of the eternal buzz!

Offline MEK-Dangerfield

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 20946
  • I don't get NO respect! Member since 1/25/2002
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014 - 04:43:40 PM »
On the way home we stopped at a restoration shop and they had a Challenger in there with a 440 and I saw what I think is the pad you are referring to. There was nothing stamped in it. I aked the guys at the shop about it and nobody had heard of such a thing.  :dunno:

It's just to the right of the distributor hold down clamp. But paint maybe concealing the stamping. 

I know that doesn't help, but I can no longer see the stamping after I used POR-15 paint on my block.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014 - 05:05:51 PM by MEK-Dangerfield »

Mike

1970 Challenger - SOLD
2016 SXT+.  1 of 524 SXT+'s in Plumb-crazy for 2016.

Offline Chryco Psycho

  • Administrator
  • C-C.com Guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 36620
  • 70 Challenger R/T SE 70 tube Chassis Cuda now sold
Re: Trying to learn about 440
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014 - 04:54:22 PM »
Magnums had better compression ,cams, valve springs , timing chain,  intake , exhaust manifolds as stated above nothing that you would use anyway .
 The performance engines were known as Magnum in Dodge , Super Commando in Plymouth & TNT in Chrysler
 Any 440 with the thin 1" thick Damper is a steel crank , after 72 most were cast with a 2" thick damper . This is not an issue if you plan to stroke it .
Early blocks did not have the extra casting rib on the outside at head bolt depth , I used one of these block in my Duster & raced it for 9 years shifting at 7200 rpm with no issues but it si better to use the ones with the rib .
With the cost of stroker kits & new parts the block is about the only part used anymore .

Challenger - You`ll wish You Hadn`t