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Offline cwestra

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Low Compression
« on: April 27, 2014 - 09:57:17 PM »
I just checked compression on my cylinders today and got some variations that are concerning.  Below are the numbers.  I cranked each cylinder  about 3 compression cycles before recording the pressure, and rechecked the low and high ones again after taking the car out for a short cruise and got the same numbers.  Any suggestions on whether this is likely rings or something else?  I have numbers from a couple of years ago that are significantly different so it appears something has changed.

1 -  139 psi        2 -  121 psi
3 -  165 psi        4 -  129 psi
5 -  148 psi        6 -  145 psi
7 -  131 psi        8 -  99  psi
Corey - in Northern Indiana




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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014 - 10:31:42 PM »
That #8 doesn't look good. Give it a couple of good squirts from an oil can and retry it. If the wet reading comes up significantly, you can pretty well bet on it being a rings problem. You may have got lucky and burnt a valve, but you need to do a leak down test to pinpoint it. Either way, your wallet is going to take a hit. Bummer

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2014 - 10:53:23 PM »
You held the throttle wide open so the engine was not struggling for air?

Steve


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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2014 - 11:39:21 PM »
Engine Restorer restores compression (compression lost due to normal wear). I'm a believer, and been using it for 15 years.
Others don't believe it, so you should decide for yourself.


http://www.walmart.com/ip/Restore-Engine-Restorer-and-Lubricant-8-Cylinder/16783203
« Last Edit: April 28, 2014 - 05:53:54 AM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2014 - 10:05:25 PM »
Maybe there is some garbage on the valve seats.
Wonder if fuel/intake cleaners added to gasoline could help?

Or maybe a lot of carbon buildup in combustion chamber, that is interfereing
with the ring seal. Might look into ways to clean excess carbon out of combustion chamber.

Besided Engine Restorer, some guys go to thicker oils, STP, or some
Lucas productss to help with compression.  I'd certainly look into these
before an engine rebuild.

When you drive it, does the engine seem less powerful??
« Last Edit: April 28, 2014 - 10:17:56 PM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2014 - 10:08:40 PM »
You have 4 low cylinders , with 165 as the high 10 % leaves 5 low , maybe just the heads without hard seats & using unleaded gas , as above if the compression jumps with out in the cylinders it is rings , do some testing , it may be time to freshen the whole engine

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2014 - 10:09:27 PM »
I assume you checked compression when engine was hot?
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014 - 02:53:29 AM »
any indication of head gasket leakage near #8?

if no bad oil consupmption, maybe just need a valve job?
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:29:29 PM »
You held the throttle wide open so the engine was not struggling for air?

Steve
Didn't think to hold throttle open during cranking but I did crank through 3 compression cycles and made sure the pressure wasn't going up any more. 
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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:34:32 PM »
Maybe there is some garbage on the valve seats.
Wonder if fuel/intake cleaners added to gasoline could help?

Or maybe a lot of carbon buildup in combustion chamber, that is interfereing
with the ring seal. Might look into ways to clean excess carbon out of combustion chamber.

Besided Engine Restorer, some guys go to thicker oils, STP, or some
Lucas productss to help with compression.  I'd certainly look into these
before an engine rebuild.

When you drive it, does the engine seem less powerful??
Seems to be rougher when I started it back up this spring.  May have happened sitting over the winter.
Corey - in Northern Indiana

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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:35:11 PM »
Hard to fill the cylinder with air of throttle is closed and it normally takes much more cranking.  Try one of the weak ones again on  warm engine and let it hit at least six times to be sure. See if there is a change

Steve


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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:39:30 PM »
You have 4 low cylinders , with 165 as the high 10 % leaves 5 low , maybe just the heads without hard seats & using unleaded gas , as above if the compression jumps with out in the cylinders it is rings , do some testing , it may be time to freshen the whole engine
Engine was rebuilt around 4 years ago and hardened seats were installed.
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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:41:11 PM »
I assume you checked compression when engine was hot?
No.  Engine was cold when checked.  How much difference would that make and how would that explain the variation?
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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:43:18 PM »
Hard to fill the cylinder with air of throttle is closed and it normally takes much more cranking.  Try one of the weak ones again on  warm engine and let it hit at least six times to be sure. See if there is a change

Steve
Will do.  Thanks.
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Re: Low Compression
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2014 - 09:45:02 PM »
Engine needs to be warm in order to have proper clearances and thus proper seal

Steve