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Offline 4 speed fish

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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2014 - 04:56:55 PM »
All AAR's and TA's came with power brakes.48k for an auto clone.Good luck.Where do people come up with these prices?




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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2014 - 05:18:49 PM »
It is a nice looking car but the price is way out of line.
As pointed out, the car lacks some of the basic TA stuff.  It may have a 904 trans, as noted are there sway bars as appropriate, and no power or disc? brakes.

There was an original TA plum crazy car painted silver being sold for best offer over 25,000. 
Car needed total restoration but was not in terrible, destroyed condition and was mostly intact.
All of the TA options were there minus the exhaust and manifolds  and it was a four speed.
I would rather pick the other car up for 25,000 and put 25,000 into the restoration.
When you are done spending 50,000 or a little more, ,you would have a real T/A that will go up higher in value as improved.  It will never be a clone or tribute!
Not sure if someone picked it up, but it was a real T/A at an enthusiast price.
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2014 - 06:28:12 PM »
I agree, ridiculously high asking price, but it will sure turn heads.
I think the terms clone and tribute are mostly interchangeable but I prefer the term tribute.
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2014 - 07:01:58 PM »
Clone, tribute, fake, recreation - all the same thing to me.  :misbehaving:
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2014 - 07:27:27 PM »
I think the real issue is what value the terms do or do not bring to a vehicle. If you think your cloning efforts makes it worth more than the raw parts I can see why people have issues. Buyer beware..... But as long as someone is willing to pay and they actually know what they are getting, good for you...



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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2014 - 09:24:48 PM »
 A lot of the T/A car did not have the fast ratio steering , it was optional

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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2014 - 09:37:46 PM »
A lot of the T/A car did not have the fast ratio steering , it was optional
Really?!?
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2014 - 10:55:29 PM »
Really?!?

X2.  I thought they all had the fast ratio arms.  Always learning new stuff around here.

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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2014 - 12:36:34 AM »
X2.  I thought they all had the fast ratio arms.  Always learning new stuff around here.

Really... It was optional... Manual Steering was standard, P/S was an option & Quick Ratio was an additional option...

Frt % Rear Sway Bars were Std..

10.87 Frt Disc Brakes were Std & 11" Rear Drums were also Std.... Only B/E Application with Discs & 11" drums...

The Locking Fuel Cap was std...

3.55 S/G was Std, 3.91 S/G was the only option...

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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2014 - 07:20:46 AM »
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Only B/E Application with Discs & 11" drums...


Yea I just learned that one....I thought all drum brake cars had 11" on the rear...but I guess not....I just restored my AAR's rear brakes last Friday.
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2014 - 06:51:17 PM »
I thought power front disc brakes came with 10 inch rear drums and manual drum brakes in front came with 11 inch rear drums.

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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2014 - 07:08:20 PM »
I thought power front disc brakes came with 10 inch rear drums and manual drum brakes in front came with 11 inch rear drums.

 :iagree:  Except on AAR and T/A`s???
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2014 - 07:13:38 PM »
never seen a C body with 10" drums and disc brakes  :naughty:

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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2014 - 09:47:59 PM »
As I stated in my above post...

"10.87 Frt Disc Brakes were Std & 11" Rear Drums were also Std.... Only B/E Application with Discs & 11" drums... "

So yes all other B/E bodies if they had disc brakes they would have 10" rear drums...
Non performance B/E bodies came std with 10" drums on all 4 wheels
Performance B/E bodies came std with 11" drums on all 4 wheels
Power Brakes was an option

C bodies weren't part of the post but since it was brought up yes C bodies got 11" rear drums with front discs.... But they also got 11.75" front rotors.... Your attempting to pull down allot of iron..
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Re: What defines a "clone"?
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2014 - 08:22:51 AM »
just bustin'  :grinyes:


i had a '70 fury conv. that i swapped the front drums for the 11.75" discs off a '72 new yorker. man those brakes were awesome!